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Photo#105517
beetle (Platynus group sp.) - Platynus

beetle (Platynus group sp.) - Platynus
Sterling, Loudoun County, Virginia, USA
April 16, 2007
Size: 8mm

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Pterostichus - Platynus beetle (Platynus group sp.) - Platynus

Platynus group sp.
Of course, I cannot see the character Pierre-Marc mentioned, but the depressed body, combined with rather slender appendages, indicates it is not a Pterostichus.

The species is from a genus nowadays called Limodromus in Europe, but probably still treated as Platynus subgenus in North America.

 
Tribe Platynini - Subtribe Platynina - ?Agonum sp.
I agree with Boris that for Virginia USA the general habitus best fits Tribe Platynini - Subtribe Platynina. I addition to the characters already stated and as suggested by this image, this group has narrower forebodies (head + prontum) compared to Pterostichus. Body length of 8 mm is too short for most in genus Platynus and so I would favor a smaller Agonum sp. It is important that carabid image submitters become familiar with the important diagnostic character of crossed apical elytral epipleura that Pierre-Marc cited, i.e., crossed in genus Pterostichus vs not crossed in tribe Platynini. This tiny feature is rarely visible in habitus photographs but can be easily seen under extra magnification.

Carabid... I'm not good with
Carabid... I'm not good with these rather homogeneous black ones... I'd guess either something in Lebiini, Platynini or a Pterostichus... could one of the beetle-ologists explain how to tell these groups apart

 
Pterostichus
I think it is a Pterostichus. It's sure not a Lebiini cause the elytra arn't truncated : ok, hard to see on this picture, but anyway, as well as I know, the only Lebiini of 8 mm have a totally different pronotal shape. For the difference between Platynini and Pterostichus, it's mostly a question of plica in the apico-lateral portion of the elytra. But we never see (or nearly so) this caractere on picture. So it's a question of general apparence often (based on the observation we done before), so hard to put in word.

 
The elytra (Est-ce que c'est
The elytra (Est-ce que c'est la carapace?) was damaged. I'll show you another angle once I get back home tonight.

 
Yes
Yes, exactly. We can see on this picture that it is damaged, but anyway, it's always better to have more than one angle for do the identification. And if you have only one, the best is generaly a picture from upside (for beetles).

 
Voila
I tagged a different view. Thanks!

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