Unk. Noctuid - Lacinipolia teligera

Moved tentatively

Moved from Lacinipolia.

… Kyhl Austin, 4 February, 2016 - 1:16pm

Moved

Moved from Owlet Moths.

… A. Hendrickson, 4 February, 2016 - 12:45pm

Moved

Moved from Moths.

… Kyhl Austin, 15 December, 2015 - 12:04pm

Moved

Moved from ID Request.

… Kyhl Austin, 14 December, 2015 - 4:32pm

Hi Chuck,

Check out this one I had identified by BOLD.

. It appears every fall here and has two different looks, male and female I think. It was in MY UID's for a long time - TONS of pictures. It has a sheen that makes the "real pattern" seem to change.

… A. Hendrickson, 29 November, 2015 - 8:47am

Thanks...

I didn't peg this one for a Lacinipolia at all! The MPG map presently shows no records for Texas so either they've split the OK/TX populations or we'd been overlooking it for years.

… Chuck Sexton, 30 November, 2015 - 1:32am

Chuck,

A. Hendrickson is right. That is definitely a Lacinipolia. Either lacinipolia teligera or L. sareta but most likely L. teligera. For its distribution in Texas please check recent revision of Lacinipolia vicina group:
http://zookeys.pensoft.net/articles.php?id=6211

… Jan Metlevski , 4 February, 2016 - 12:39pm

Thanks for the reference.

That's a great help. And for once, in a species complex, I'm glad that in my local area (Central Texas), only one of that species group seems to occur! (Usually, we're in the area of overlap of eastern and western taxa, as with the--ugh--Giant Swallowtails.

… Chuck Sexton, 5 February, 2016 - 9:24am

Jan, thank you very much for the confirming opinion. I have taken at least 100 pictures of this one. It really looks different from picture to picture and in different lights. I am thinking that it also may have a different look to the male and the female since I have it photographed with a "half dark" hind wing and with an almost pure white hind wing. When it is pure white the hind wing has a few dark "rays" going up the veins like this

… A. Hendrickson, 4 February, 2016 - 12:53pm

Yes,

you are right about males and females.

… Jan Metlevski , 4 February, 2016 - 1:17pm

Let's give it a little time here

and see if you get an ID

… john and jane balaban, 28 November, 2015 - 4:28pm

Looks like it might be an Apamea

but we don't know how to choose which one :(

… john and jane balaban, 28 November, 2015 - 3:19pm

I agree...

I keep coming back to Apamea, but other than having the basic elements of an Apamea-like pattern, including the little sub-orbicular "dart" or triangle, I can find no close match on MPG, nor in any of my Texas references from Knudson & Bordelon. I'd feel comfortable moving these to the Noctuidae, or even Noctuinae, if appropriate.

… Chuck Sexton, 28 November, 2015 - 3:42pm