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Aroga camptogramma - Hodges#2185 (Aroga camptogramma)
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Copyright © 2017
Hal Livings
#2200 - Aroga unifasciella -
Aroga camptogramma
20 miles southwest of Llano, Llano County, Texas, USA
October 19, 2017
Size: FW 4.2 mm
Seems to be out of range, but is a good match for several photos on the BugGuide species page.
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Contributed by
Hal Livings
on 19 October, 2017 - 10:18am
Last updated 23 October, 2017 - 9:17pm
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Excellent match to similar views posted:
And, size and locality are right.
A. unifasciella
is much larger and not recorded from TX.
MPG
has one TX record for
A. camptogramma
, and it too is in Llano Co.
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Edward L. Ruden
, 21 October, 2017 - 9:03am
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Thanks Edward
Thanks Edward
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Hal Livings
, 21 October, 2017 - 4:57pm
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FW length
Yes, it sure looks like
A. unifasciella
. However, the FW length of
A. unifasciella
is
7-8.5 mm
- twice your estimate. Fortunately, you have a periodic pattern of square dimples on the fabric it's resting on. What is the center-to-center distance between dimples? We can get an accurate FW length from that.
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Edward L. Ruden
, 20 October, 2017 - 10:37pm
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Good catch. Then camptogramma?
A. camptogramma: "Nearest unifasciella Busck, but that species is much larger..."
See comments here:
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James Bailey
, 20 October, 2017 - 10:51pm
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Yes, more likely A. camptogramma
Hal uses this fabric for other pics such as this:
He estimates an 8 mm FW on that one, and it's 7 dimples long. His 4 mm estimate for the subject image is probably about right, then. And,
MPG
places
A. camptogramma
deep in the heart of Texas.
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Edward L. Ruden
, 20 October, 2017 - 10:57pm
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The dimples are 1.25mm apart
The dimples are 1.25mm apart along the rows, and 2.5 mm diagonally across a square
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Hal Livings
, 21 October, 2017 - 4:56pm
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If the dimple center to dimple center distance along a row is 1.25 mm, then the dimple center to dimple center distance along the diagonal is the square root of 2 times that, or about 1.78 mm, not 2.5 mm. So, I don't know what you are measuring. If you measure the distance from the center of one dimple to the center of another dimple along a row, say, 20 columns away, then divide by 20, that would be an accurate way to measure the number I'm asking for.
I myself use an 80 by 100 threads-per-inch cloth sheet, and use that to measure moths, like here:
Your dimple spacing is much larger and easier to use for such an application (less counting and more resolvable). Where do you get such fabric?
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Edward L. Ruden
, 21 October, 2017 - 8:01pm
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I'm away from home this weeke
I'm away from home this weekend but will be home again Monday evening. I'll re-measure the distances then and forward you my measurements. Thanks for taking an interest in this. Getting IDs on these micros is difficult and every input helps.
Hal
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Hal Livings
, 22 October, 2017 - 12:36pm
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Per Ed Ruden's suggestion, I
Per Ed Ruden's suggestion, I re-measured the spacing of the dimples on my moth cloth. The dimples are 1.35mm apart, center-to-center, along the side of each square. Diagonally across the square, the distance is 1.91 mm, center-to-center.
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Hal Livings
, 23 October, 2017 - 5:43pm
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4.2 mm FW
Thanks. Size is clearly a key feature of this species needed to identify it, but I found no quantitative reference for it. So, I took a strip of paper and laid it across your dorsal view and made a ruler of sorts, with one division per dimple. Using that, I measured the FW length to be 3.1 dimples, or 4.2 mm = 3.1 dimples * 1.35 mm/dimple. The advantage of this method is that you don't have to measure and record it in the field, leaving more time for taking pics. I'll edit your own estimate with this more accurate number.
So, where did you get such fabric? I'd like to get some.
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Edward L. Ruden
, 23 October, 2017 - 9:15pm
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Thanks Edward. The fabric is
Thanks Edward. The fabric is a frost cloth used for covering garden plants on cold winter nights. My wife bought it several years ago, and is not certain where. Either Home Depot in the garden department , or a store called Natural Gardener in Austin, TX. If you can't find it, send me a mailing address and I'll mail you a piece of it.
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Hal Livings
, 24 October, 2017 - 7:09am
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Thanks for the lead
We have an
Home Depot
in town I can check out. A small sample won't be of any use since I need to replace a queen-size bed sheet:
Your fabric is not woven, but a synthetic felt (with random fibers pressed together). This makes an ideal surface for bugs to hook their tarsi into. The dimples appear to be spot-welds which fuse the fibers in place. I don't think all frost blankets have such welds, so I'll have to see the material up close before buying.
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Edward L. Ruden
, 24 October, 2017 - 8:25am
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Looks like a perfect match to me
I wonder if it is overlooked in TX. Ranges as far north to MT and known from NM, seems fairly widespread in the western states.
Aroga unifasciella
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James Bailey
, 19 October, 2017 - 11:06am
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It would be easily overlooked
It would be easily overlooked due to its very tiny size
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Hal Livings
, 19 October, 2017 - 11:31am
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Also "micro" moths are overlooked
since there is a popular belief that there are so many thus identification is not likely. And small things are not always interesting to everyone, even dedicated moth people!
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James Bailey
, 19 October, 2017 - 2:10pm
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