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The deed is done.

I'm not sure what the correct taxonomic order for the orders is (although I imagine Raphidioptera and Megaloptera should go right next to Neuroptera), so someone who knows better can fix that.

I transferred all the guide page info from the three suborder pages before making them disappear. In the case of Neuroptera, there may be a little of fine-tuning to be done, since some of the information that was already on that page may refer to Neuroptera in the broader sense. For the time being, I've clarified this by indicating "Neuropterida" for anything that was already on the Neuroptera page before I moved info from Planipennia.

… Charley Eiseman, 13 October, 2008 - 9:31pm

Thanks

Thanks for all the work on this Charley!

… Karl Volkman, 13 October, 2008 - 9:42pm

Yes, thanks/sequence of new orders

Yes, thanks for doing that important editorial work. See my comments here under the discussion of the sequence of insect orders. It is clear those three orders should be placed together, so I have done so, following the sequence from the Tree of Life Web. It is really quick to change the sequence of taxonomic orders, so it is no big deal to change to another sequence in the future.

… Cotinis, 14 October, 2008 - 2:25pm

I just tried

to fix this, but it doesn't seem to be possible to simply move suborders to order level. I tried to get around that by tagging the families and moving them to a new order, which worked except the images didn't seem to follow--some quirk in the system where they were left in some kind of no-man's-land. So unless I'm missing something, to do this we would have to tag every single image in Neuroptera and move them to their new orders (and that includes Neuroptera proper, if we want to get rid of the now unnecessary Planipennia suborder). So I've put everything back the way it was for now. Any advice or comments on what to do about this? Is this something (as I asked here) that has to wait for the next version of BugGuide? Or is it something that can be fixed now, but only by John VanDyk?

… Charley Eiseman, 13 October, 2008 - 2:45pm

A quirk of Bugguide

If I recall correctly it takes a while for the images to follow and move to the new place. My heart skipped a beat a couple of times when it hapenned but in the end everything turned out alright. Have you checked again?

… Beatriz Moisset, 13 October, 2008 - 4:59pm

There's nothing to check

because I moved everything back... but I will now try moving just the snakeflies to their own order, then wait a couple of days, and if the images catch up with the move, I will then go ahead and take care of the other groups. Thanks for your input.

… Charley Eiseman, 13 October, 2008 - 5:04pm

Well...

The current status is that no images show up in Raphidioptera; they all still show up in Raphidioidea, even though the families are gone. But if you click on the images, it shows that they are in fact in Raphidioptera. So we don't have to worry about the images disappearing, and I guess now we can just wait and find out how long the lag time is before the thumbnails show up where they're supposed to.

… Charley Eiseman, 13 October, 2008 - 6:03pm

Success!

Apparently it takes an hour or two. Now I just have to individually move the several images of larvae that haven't been ID'd to family. I'll go ahead and elevate the other suborders.

… Charley Eiseman, 13 October, 2008 - 8:15pm

Recent Publication

Here is a Recent Publication on B. C. Snakeflies which uses the Order level Classification.

… Karl Volkman, 23 June, 2008 - 6:25pm

first discussed

here

… Robin McLeod, 6 April, 2008 - 6:28pm

Never realy resolved

From the looks of it This wasn't actually resolved, plus it is a little over two years old now, and splitting is the more accepted now

… Karl Volkman, 6 April, 2008 - 6:37pm

Splitting...?

Splitting from what? Into different orders? Suborders? I'm familiar enough with the neuropteroids to look for those as families, orders, or suborders, so it doesn't really matter to me, but I 'am' in favor of keeping up-to-date, which Bugguide can do far better online than different editions of textbooks, etc:-)

… Eric R. Eaton, 9 April, 2008 - 11:49am

Re Splitting

It would be the removal of Alderfies and snakeflies from the Lacewing order. Then listing them, as is currently accepted, a the full orders Megaloptera for Alderflies & Dobsonflies; and Raphidioptera for the Snakeflies.

… Karl Volkman, 9 April, 2008 - 8:11pm

Ok.

No objections here:-)

… Eric R. Eaton, 10 April, 2008 - 11:41am