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Photo#204632
Copyright © 2008
Lynette Elliott
Willow Gall -
Euura
Puyallup, Pierce County, Washington, USA
July 21, 2008
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Contributed by
Lynette Elliott
on 22 July, 2008 - 12:30am
Last updated 26 March, 2009 - 8:59am
Willow
I agree with the ID offered on the third image that this plant is a willow (
Salix
).
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John Pearson
, 19 December, 2009 - 2:24pm
Moved
Moved from
Galls
.
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Lynette Elliott
, 26 March, 2009 - 8:59am
Whatever it is -
I'd love to find out when you do. It's a moth of some sort, but all I know is that I, too, find those exact galls quite often out here. Perhaps I should post my own photos of it.
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Illia-Shaundra Chavez
, 22 July, 2008 - 12:48am
thanks
how do you know it's a moth and not a sawfly? It is very similar to
but you're right the larva doesn't have that sawfly look with the big black eyes.
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Lynette Elliott
, 22 July, 2008 - 12:50am
sawfly gall
I'm 99% sure this is a sawfly gall, probably caused by
Pontania sp.
I can't be sure if the larger larva is the gall creator or not. It could be but I can't see details (like the number of prolegs or eye details) to be sure it's a sawfly larva. Lots of other critters tend to take advantage of galls ... clearly at least one of the larvae in the gall has taken advantage of the situation.
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Joyce Gross
, 15 August, 2008 - 2:19am
moth
Ron Russo (p. 216) says of the gall caused by
Pontania californica
: "Caltagirone (1964) found a remarkable complex of inquiline, parasite, and hyperparasite species associated with this gall maker that included six wasps, a moth, and a weevil. In some cases, it has been found that the moth alone can account for as much as 70 percent of the mortality of the sawfly larvae."
I think it's safe to move this to
Pontania
(genus level), but I'm not sure what to do about the caterpillar image. I do think it's a moth larva, but in a sawfly gall. The Caltagirone reference would suggest a possible/probable ID, I suppose...
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Charley Eiseman
, 26 March, 2009 - 6:59am
Can you count the prolegs on the larva?
I'm pretty sure that sawfly larva have more prolegs than on any Lepidoptera larva? (From gardening web site - The (sawfly) larvae resemble caterpillars or foliage feeding cutworms at first glance. However, notice that sawfly larvae have 8 pairs of abdominal prolegs as compared to caterpillars, which have no more than 4 such pairs".) Maybe Joyce Gross will comment. I think this is probably a sawfly gall...
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Ken Schneider
, 22 July, 2008 - 10:11am
Well until I look at my own images -
I remember clearly that mine had no "eyes" and share the same anatomical traits as caterpilars. Those images do make me think on another viewpoint, though.
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Illia-Shaundra Chavez
, 22 July, 2008 - 1:14am