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Spicebush Swallowtail - Hodges#4181 (Papilio troilus)
Photo#208195
Copyright © 2008
Scott Cox
Eastern Tiger Swallowtail (dark form)? No -
Papilio troilus
Sagamore Hill National Historic Site, Nassau County, New York, USA
August 14, 2005
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Contributed by
Scott Cox
on 30 July, 2008 - 8:29pm
Last updated 14 August, 2008 - 9:33pm
Moved to guide
I added the word No to your title so as to correct it without losing the ID you originally guessed. Otherwise following comments would have made no sense. : )
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Hannah Nendick-Mason
, 14 August, 2008 - 9:34pm
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Swallowtail
The missing orange spot on the median spot band and white spots on the abdomen suggests Spicebush Swallowtail. Dark eastern tigers have solid black abdomen.
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Bob Moul
, 30 July, 2008 - 9:03pm
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I agree with Bob on this one.
I agree with Bob on this one...you seem to have a spicebush here. I posted a photo yesterday of a female dark form of eastern
, and you can see her solid black abdomen, and the difference in the spotting pattern-also, dark form eastern often still has a bit of the veining still visible--if you look at my photo, you can can see this on the underside of the forewing.
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Nina
, 31 July, 2008 - 9:29am
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ID help - thanks!
Nina:
Thanks so much to you (and Bob) for the ID help. I can clearly see the differences in abdomen spotting, and in comparing your photo specimen with mine, I can also clearly see that my specimen is darker, without clearly visible veining as present in yours. However I am still struggling on the red spotting pattern difference. One guide (Tilden/Smith Peterson guide) notes the placement difference of the orange spot on the base of the HW. Is this what your referring to? Are there any descriptive drawings that show higlight these differences? Many thanks, Scott
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Scott Cox
, 31 July, 2008 - 9:45am
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Spicebush
Scott, maybe you can see the missing orange spot on this photo from my website
http://www.pbase.com/rcm1840/image/47249759
Notice the third space up from the bottom in the row of large orange spots, the spot is either very small or missing. That is the one characteristic to look for on a Spicebush. On your photo the spot is missing altogether.
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Bob Moul
, 31 July, 2008 - 10:23am
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Got it!
That now makes a lot of sense! Too bad the field guides I used didn't make much mention of this, that, plus the abdomen spotting, seem so obvious now! Many thanks! Scott
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Scott Cox
, 31 July, 2008 - 11:19am
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