Lanelater - Lanelater hayekae

Moved

… Will Chatfield-Taylor, 8 August, 2018 - 9:20pm

Moved

Moving back to genus level and the pronotal carinae are not c/w hayekae. I've got two specimens from OK like this and Iustin Cret just posted one from southeastern TX. Lanelater hayekae is the only species recorded from the localities for all three records, however.

Moved from Lanelater hayekae.

… Blaine Mathison, 4 October, 2014 - 8:23pm

Doubt you're still subscribed

Doubt you're still subscribed to this, but is there anything I can do in terms of imaging or checking features to finally put an ID on this?

… Will Chatfield-Taylor, 8 August, 2018 - 10:28am

Lanelater

I got conservative because the lateral carina on the pronotum looks shorter than illustrated in Spilman's review (https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1523&context=insectamundi).

Still, that carina is much stronger than L. schottii which occurs from AZ to TX. Check the reference above and look for:

1. length of carina on pronotal hind angle (imaging a lateral view of the pronotum might help).

2. an anterior carina (ridge) on the front tibiae.

… Blaine Mathison, 8 August, 2018 - 1:53pm

protibial carina

Hi Blaine,

It definitely has that protibial carina. Seems that makes it L. hayekae

Drop me a line sometime, it'd be nice to get to know you better beyond Bugguide.

… Will Chatfield-Taylor, 8 August, 2018 - 9:18pm

Moved

Moved from Lanelater.

Only Lanelater that gets into KS (Spilman, 1985)

… Blaine Mathison, 9 October, 2010 - 8:28pm

Moved

Moved from Click Beetles.

… Will Chatfield-Taylor, 3 February, 2009 - 4:10pm

Lanelater, perhaps sallei (LeConte, 1853)

… v belov, 3 February, 2009 - 9:34am

Subfamily? Dunno where to put

Subfamily? Dunno where to put it, but thanks for the ID as always!

… Will Chatfield-Taylor, 3 February, 2009 - 3:58pm

Agrypninae

… v belov, 3 February, 2009 - 4:01pm

cross-ref

see the same, or closely akin, species here

… v belov, 27 September, 2008 - 10:43am

Conoderus?

Could this be a large Conoderus?

… Will Chatfield-Taylor, 6 September, 2008 - 9:55pm

Neither.

I assume "Alaua" is a spelling error for "Alaus," but this specimen is neither Alaus or Chalcolepidius. Keys are hard, and I make plenty of mistakes myself, at least initially. Try keying specimens that have already been identified by an expert until you get the hang of what the characters are like. Also realize there are 'bad' keys that rely on highly-variable characters and other criteria that result from not having seen enough specimens of each species during their preparation.

… Eric R. Eaton, 6 September, 2008 - 6:40pm

bummer

Alaus was what I meant, though as it's neither it's kind of academic :-)
I thought the pronotum wasn't quite right for Alaus... hmmm, I've been using American Beetles II as my source for keys. It's pretty "odd-term intensive". I guess practice is all you can do, I'll try running ID'd specimens through the keys and see if that improves things. I've run my Buprestids through them in the hopes of improving my skills as far as they're concerned, but I'll need a lot more than I have right now! Thanks as always for the feedback Eric, I really appreciate it! It's always good to learn advice from the experts :-)

… Will Chatfield-Taylor, 6 September, 2008 - 6:52pm