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What trumps All-Leps?

I thought All-Leps was the classification we follow for Lepidoptera... is there some other list that trumps All-Leps?
What prompted the question is that All-Leps places Solenobia triquetrella in Taleporiinae, while BugGuide calls it Dahlica triquetrella and has it in Naryciinae. I see that Moth Photographers Group uses the latter, but where does this come from? And where does Naryciinae come from? Some other websites that use the new name call it Solenobiinae.

The response I got.
In February of 2006 I asked All-Leps a similar question, which I've quoted below:

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The genus Solenobia was included within the subfamily PSYCHIDAE: NARYCIINAE by Davis & Robinson, in Kristensen (1999), and treated by them as a junior synonym of Dahlica.
See:
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/jdsml/research-curation/research/projects/butmoth/GenusDetails.dsml?NUMBER=27111.0

Does your continued use of the name Solenobia, and its placement in PSYCHIDAE: TALEPORIINAE indicate a change in its status since 1999?
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My question was forwarded through two people to Jean-François Landry, and his reply was forwarded through the same people back to me. Here's what he wrote:

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As far as I can make out:
Solenobia Duponchel, 1843 is a junior subjective synonym of Taleporia Hübner, 1825 (NOT of Dahlica Enderlein, 1912). This hinges on the correct designation of the type species of
Solenobia, which is Solenobia anderreggella Duponchel, 1843 and is now a junior synonym of Taleporia tubulosa (Retzius, 1787) in the Taleporiinae. The statement by some authors that
Solenobia is a synonym of Dahlica Enderlein, 1912 baffles me because the latter is clearly a later name.

Our species are as follows (just for that subfamily, I did not check the rest):
Subfamily Naryciinae
Genus Dahlica Enderlein, 1912
Dahlica lichenella (Linneaus, 1761), new to Canada**
Dahlica triquetrella (Hübner, 1812)
Genus Siederia Meier, 1953
Siederia walshella (Clemens, 1862) (formerly in Solenobia). This combination was given to me by Hättenschwiler.

Over the past decade I have been in sporadic contact with Peter Hättenschwiler in Switzerland, who is probably the best current expert on European Psychids. I agree with his proposed
combination Siederia walshella for our species. He has collected in Canada a number of times and has found at least one previously unreported, introduced species in BC (marked ** above).

Hope this helps.
JF
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So it appears that Hättenschwiler and Landry call it Dahlica triquetrella and place it in subfamily Naryciinae. Perhaps that's where the names came from (there may have been a discussion about this in a BugGuide forum back then but I can't remember for sure).

 
Related
Is this related...
All-Leps seems to list Psychidae: Taleporiinae: Solenobia walshella (Clemens, 1862)
MPG lists as 0435 – Taleporia walshella – (Clemens, 1862)

I just want to ensure proper naming and placement, thanks.

 
Yes, same species
...and it seems the general rule is that MPG is more up-to-date than All-Leps.
...and yet: it's also the same species as Siederia walshella (Clemens, 1862), the name given by Dr. Landry above. Looks like that's the Psychidae expert's opinion, so I vote for going with that one. I'll have to fix that in my book now...

 
Update
Has anyone seen an update on this? A couple of weeks ago the Siederia walshella page was moved to Taleporia walshella, and the empty Siederia page (which only has one species in North America) was left as an orphan.

 
I haven't
I just send Bob Patterson an email to see if he has newer information.

 
Bob's reply:
"I can only say it was Solenobia in 1983, became Taleporia at some point, and now (unbeknownst to me) appears to be Siederia.

"It wasn't Siederia in 2008 when Greg Pohl sent me his list updating Hodges 1983.

"I will change it to Siederia and expect that will agree with Greg's current list. We start work next week on revising the macromoths other than Noctuoidea. Hope to have the micros done by the end of the year. I'm sure there will be many more changes amongst the micros."

So it seems it should be changed back to Siederia, which will then be in agreement with MPG when Bob gets a chance to update the site.

 
Thanks
Strange that All-Leps hasn't changed the names, since this message came to you through them. The other day I filled out a form on their website suggesting that the names might need changing, so it will be interesting to see what their response is.

 
Did you ever hear back
from All-Leps?

 
No
I've submitted two or three comment forms to them, one about this, and never got a response for any of them. So I've stopped trying, even though I continue to find discrepancies/errors. Keeping their list current and accurate doesn't seem to be a priority.

Evidently MPG is going on some other information, given the difference with walshella. We could find out easily enough if someone wants to ask Bob Patterson.

 
Too bad
about All-Leps. Except for a couple of responses in early 2006, I haven't had any luck with them, so I've given up too.

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