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Melanotus castanipes
Photo#600813
Copyright © 2011
Richard Migneault
Click Beetle -
Melanotus castanipes
Edmundston, Madawaska County, New Brunswick, Canada
July 5, 2011
Size: 18,4mm
Could this be Click Hemicrepidius memnonius, very large one
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Contributed by
Richard Migneault
on 12 December, 2011 - 11:40am
Last updated 25 December, 2013 - 6:13pm
Moved
Moved from
Melanotus
.
Thank you, these follow-up images helped confirm Vassili's original suspicion.
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Blaine Mathison
, 12 December, 2011 - 5:52pm
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let's have a drink guys
that was a valiant effort
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v belov
, 12 December, 2011 - 5:53pm
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Thanks so much to both of you
Thanks so much to both of you... this make my day!
should I remove some of these photo?
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Richard Migneault
, 12 December, 2011 - 6:03pm
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No!
Your photos are too nice to frass!
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Blaine Mathison
, 12 December, 2011 - 6:05pm
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castanipes?
pronotal puctation is very coarse, and with just 3 spp. recorded in NB (
M. castanipes
being the most often collected) shouldn't be too hard to figure this one out
Moved from
Prosterninae
.
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v belov
, 12 December, 2011 - 11:57am
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Melanotus
The third antenommere looks too long for castanipes (the best feature for castanipes is the obsolete frontal margin, best viewed directly from above), although sometimes females have a longer segment 3. Size supports castanipes as it is one of the larger species.
Although only three Melantous may be 'officially' recorded from NB, most of the similis/communis-complex species are in New England and adject Canada so there is a potential for NSRs for NB. I'd be hesitant to rule-out species based on published records.
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Blaine Mathison
, 12 December, 2011 - 12:06pm
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Melantotus in New Brunswick
Hi Blaine,
There are actually five species of
Melantotus
recorded from New Brunswick:
1)
Melanotus castanipes
(Paykull)
2)
Melanotus decumanus
(Erichson)
3)
Melanotus leonardi
(LeConte)
4)
Melanotus sagittarius
(LeConte)
5)
Melanotus similis
(Kirby)
I agree that it's really hard to tell
Melantotus
spp. apart.
For this specimen, the shape of the frons rules out
M. decumanus
and the colour and size exclude
M. leonardi
and
M. sagittarius
. On the basis of size
M. castanipes
seems the best candidate (although on the basis of my observations I'm not convinced that
M. similis
doesn't get to 18.4 mm), but I agree with you that antennomere 3 looks too long for a female
M. castanipes
. I don't know: I think this genus is in need of revision.
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Christopher Majka
, 25 January, 2013 - 2:41pm
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this specimen was sent to me...
it's a female castanipes.
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Blaine Mathison
, 25 January, 2013 - 2:43pm
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I have a shot of the undersid
I have a shot of the underside of it, could that help? Also, I still have the specimen and could easely take some others enlarged part..
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Richard Migneault
, 12 December, 2011 - 12:23pm
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a closeup of the frons & antennal bases would help
thanks, Richard. love your pix.
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v belov
, 12 December, 2011 - 12:27pm
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head shots
side view and frontal views of the head/face (need to rule-out decumanus, too).
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Blaine Mathison
, 12 December, 2011 - 12:29pm
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Face and frontal views of it
Face and frontal views of it are there..hope it will help.
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Richard Migneault
, 12 December, 2011 - 1:38pm
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It's definately not decumanus...
any way of getting a straight-on face shot--as if you were looking directly at it. The main external key character for castanipes is the apparently obsolete frontal margin (the black rim looks to be missing mid-center). Sorry to be a pain :).
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Blaine Mathison
, 12 December, 2011 - 2:01pm
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It's my pleasure to contribua
It's my pleasure to contribuate... I will take as many photo as you need, send it in few hours.. thanks
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Richard Migneault
, 12 December, 2011 - 2:09pm
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thanks, no rush
Melantous species, especially members of the similis/communis complex are VERY difficult to ID to the species-level without examining the specimen. Too many odd characters at different angles of head/pronotum. Ideally, male genitilia would help but I'm guessing this is a female.
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Blaine Mathison
, 12 December, 2011 - 2:15pm
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Two more photo, hope you get
Two more photo, hope you get the needed information..
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Richard Migneault
, 12 December, 2011 - 5:33pm
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just an observation...
in our
decumanus
pix, the intervals all look very flat basally (vs rather convex is this specimen)
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v belov
, 12 December, 2011 - 12:34pm
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NPRs, for Canada ;]
published records are based on a very recent & thorough review
(
1
)
, but you never know with the clickers, that's for sure...
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v belov
, 12 December, 2011 - 12:11pm
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