Plataea californiaria ? - Plataea personaria

Moved

… James Bailey, 4 February, 2021 - 12:14pm

Some thoughts,

Gary, I think we've been consistently getting these wrong, and that all of those posted under P. californiaria are really P. personaria. Check out Rindge's revision here and see what you think. I think I may have at one point gotten confused by photos labeled in that publication as P. californiaria pasadenaria, but those are actually treated as a synonym of P. personaria. Those two photos actually match this specimen quite closely, while the two photos of P. californiaria look quite different.

I think all of the specimens at BugGuide, BOLD, and at MPG are referable to P. personaria. I don't know the genus intimately enough to be certain, but lets just say I'm fairly sure.

… David J. Ferguson, 8 April, 2014 - 11:04pm

pasadenaria?

I just occurred to me that perhaps pasadenaria is a species. Gary's specimen shown here barcodes for californiaria/ursaria (same BIN for both species) but it doesn't match Rindge's description for californiaria and it's way too small for ursaria. I know this is extremely speculative on my part and I'm probably off base but something is not right here.

… Steve Nanz, 3 January, 2019 - 3:41pm

BOLD

I haven't had time to check this out, but do they match up with "personaria"? I don't remember if BOLD has any good personaria samples yet, maybe they would group with ursaria & the so-called "californiaria" too. Or, maybe they are all so close that they would all group together? This is off the top of my head, and I haven't looked at any of them at BOLD recently.

A distinct species for pasadenaria would seem a reasonable possibility too.

… David J. Ferguson, 7 January, 2019 - 11:08am

Separate BIN for personaria

BOLD:AAF0687 is the BIN for personaria. It is well separated from BOLD:AAL7803, the BIN for californiaria and ursaria. The personaria BIN looks good but the californiaria/ursaria BIN is not consistent with Rindge as I understand it. The barcodes do not separate the two species into separate branches. I want to say they must all be ursaria since none match californiaria per Rindge but I know that all of Gary's BugGuide images currently in californiaria are in that BIN yet are way too small for ursaria.

Californiaria lacks the deep inward tooth on the pm. line near the coasta, has a hollow discal spot, and has a deeper outward tooth on the am. line with a truncated apex. Your two spread images posted in californiaria here and here look perfect per Rindge and none of the californiaria at BOLD look good. Going by Rindge, there should be no confusing californiaria with ursaria or personaria.

I think the genus may need more revision unless there is a work that I don't know about. As far as I can tell Powell and Opler have these three species confused but that doesn't explain the undersized specimens in the californiaria/ursaria BIN. It seems like there must be another taxon involved, either that or ursaria can be much smaller.

… Steve Nanz, 7 January, 2019 - 1:41pm

Oops

Sorry for the goofy part about your submissions. I didn't realize that they were Rindge's photos.

… Steve Nanz, 8 January, 2019 - 4:53am

Agreed

Rindge studied several thousand specimens so his revision looks trustworthy -- this definitely would go to personaria.

… James Bailey, 2 October, 2017 - 12:27pm

100% match

100% DNA match at BOLD to Plataea californiaria.

… Gary McDonald, 13 November, 2012 - 10:53am

Moved

Moved from Geometrid Moths.

… john and jane balaban, 8 April, 2012 - 8:11pm