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Nais Tiger Moth - Hodges#8171 (Apantesis nais)
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Copyright © 2012
Mark H Brown
Apantesis Tiger Moth -
Apantesis nais
Iowa City, Johnson County, Iowa, USA
April 24, 2012
Size: 2.5 cm
Resembles Banded Tiger Moth, but is Iowa too far north? If so this would have to be Harnessed Tiger Moth I suppose.
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Contributed by
Mark H Brown
on 24 April, 2012 - 10:10pm
Last updated 13 February, 2018 - 5:01pm
Moved
Moved from
Banded Tiger Moth
.
I ran this one by Chris on Facebook. He said "I don't remember this one in particular, the message thread says I called it either nais or vittata, but I may have missed the fact that it was from Iowa so that is definitely too far north for vittata. carlotta doesn't work either, so I'd call this nais."
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Paul Dennehy
, 13 February, 2018 - 5:01pm
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Sounds good
That one is my fault, as I don't believe I gave Chris the location of this one when verifying. Just a quick "does this look right for" email. Although, there are confirmed records for
vittata
in Iowa, unless they are all based on older misidentifications.
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Jason D. Roberts
, 14 February, 2018 - 11:34am
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Moved
Moved from
Apantesis
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Jason D. Roberts
, 17 July, 2017 - 12:18am
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Moved
Moved from
Banded Tiger Moth
.
This is probably nais or phalerata. Females of all these species have reduced forewing markings, and vittata cannot be reliably identified from a photo unless it is seen outside the range of any similar species.
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Paul Dennehy
, 16 July, 2017 - 10:56pm
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Apantesis
I actually ran this one (and many others from 2011/2012) by Chris Schmidt. From the email exchange on this one, it came down to
nais
or
vittata
. Given the more elongate FW and being still within the outermost range of
vittata
, that was the "most probable" ID agreed upon. I'll go ahead and move it back rather than leave it languishing in perpetual genus status.
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Jason D. Roberts
, 17 July, 2017 - 12:18am
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Sounds good
There were so many misidentified and questionably identified photos on all the species pages for this group that a few of us decided it was time for a "purge" to clear up some of the confusion about the species, so we moved a lot of these back to the genus page. If Chris ID'd this one, then it makes sense to keep it on the species page though. Thanks! :)
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Paul Dennehy
, 24 July, 2017 - 4:30pm
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No worries
There was only one other of your moves that I moved elsewhere - from my records it had been agreed to be most likely
carlotta
.
This group of Apantesis can definitely be a headache. Years ago when I was pulling tails on these, hoping I could nail down some local southeastern populations, I was finding it difficult to separate some of them even by genitalia due to variation/aberration in the aedeagus. I shared the frustration
here
and was suggesting a combo page for the uncertains at that time, but later realized that would basically be redundant to the genus page. So unfortunately, a lot of them are probably best left in genus unless there's enough to give a good 'probable' ID (which is another can of worms on BG - probable vs. precise IDs). I appreciate you tackling this group though.
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Jason D. Roberts
, 25 July, 2017 - 12:20am
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Jason D. Roberts
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