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Zoological authors information for guides

I'd like to encourage all of those who are working on guide pages to include author information on new guides and as you revise current ones. I have been putting this information in the explanation of name field, along with etymology, if I can find it. (See, for example, Trichiotinus.) As an added feature, I suggest a way to add biographical information--link to an article on Wikipedia, which has lots of articles on biologists. Here are some examples--feel free to add more as comments: I think this is a real enhancement to the guide, since I find entomologists almost as fascinating as insects. (Who knew that Casey the entomologist was also an engineer and astronomer, and son of a famous general? And isn't it amazing how prolific Nathan Banks was? He wrote 400 plus papers in a 60-year career, and we still use much of his taxonomy today. He seems to have single-handedly described much of the order neuroptera, senus lato. To top that off, he, and his wife had eight children!) Originally I was going to suggest we write nodes or articles for biographical information on authors, but I believe this will be much more efficient. Besides Wikipedia, another good on-line source is the Univ. of Nebraska's list of Scarab Workers. Of course, if you are ambitious, you can write your own Wikipedia article.

If author names are used please use parentheses
correctly for species name.

Parentheses should be placed around author names only if the current genus differs from the original genus

These parentheses are mandatory as specified by the ICZN

I'd go further...
I think it's time we consider a field for author citations on guide pages. If we're serious about taxonomic accuracy, we should have that on every taxon. I would suggest limiting where it shows- maybe just on the info page- to avoid confusion, but there's no reason not to have it.

By the way: I don't think this is the best forum for this. It seems to me more like Web Site Problems and Suggestions material.

Author field, forum
Yes, an author field is probably needed.

I had originally been going to put this under "web site problems", but figured that the list of links to important authors on Wikipedia and elsewhere might be more article-like, a reference for others to use.

I have wanted to do this for a while, but if you enter the author's name on the same line as the species name, won't it be italicized?

Yes, as it is now.
What really needs to be done is a separate field for the author. We would need to think through is how to show it, and when not to show it:

For one thing, it would need to be shown in a way that makes it clear it's not part of the name proper. For another, when the authors are entered for genus, species and subspecies, only one should be shown. None of this is hard to figure out, but it would take longer to implement than just showing it everywhere.

As for italicization, it's easy enough to specify different formats for different fields.

Author names...yes.
I don't really have any specific reason for why I think it should be in the guide in some way, I just think it should be done. But, if we do add this piece of information as a field in the info section does that mean all of the editors have to go back through and add the authority names?

I was disappointed to learn that I couldn't use author names in my field guide. It seems to be part of the 'dumbing down' of information somehow. I would heartily encourage the use of author name fields in guide pages. Way to go, Pat and Chuck:-)

author names less important for supraspecific names
It would be nice to see authors of names above species rank if adding such information consistently does not become too burdensome for user and/or computer. In my opinion, however, it is more important that one cites author (and possibly date) for the natural unit of species (or subspecies) rather than citing credit for supraspecific nomenclature which are artificially synthesized and are more apt to change. Afterall, the usual university-recommended way to write species determination labels is to include at least author, optionally date. Also one must pay attention if the author name is to be put in parenthesis or not -- parenthesus if the current genus name is different from the author's original genus association.

P.S. I'm new and would like to know if it is true that no matter where I enter my reply in the thread on this page, every active subscriber *up* and *down* the thread gets a copy?

What actually happens is that all comments and replies are visible to everyone- so it's simply a matter of where you want it on the page.

Likewise, posting a comment anywhere on the page triggers an email to all subscribers, as does deleting the page. Editing a comment or the page doesn't trigger anything.

This applies to any kind of page that's represented as a "node": image, guide, book, link or forum topic.

Author names above species, BugGuide subscriptions
1-Oh, a clarification on author names for taxa above species rank--I had been doing that as part of the "origin of names" field, really for historical, not biological, interest. I was rather inspired by the Univ. of Nebraska "Scarab Workers" pages. (See my comments at the top of this thread.)

2-Yes, everybody gets an e-mail notice of any activity in the thread. If you don't want notices, log in and "unsubscribe" to a particular topic or image, etc. This is kept track of by node numbers. (This discussion is denoted by, with replies given such URL's based on the first one, for example, your comment above is:
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