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Pyraustine moth - Nacoleia charesalis - male

Pyraustine moth - Nacoleia charesalis - Male
Tallahassee, Leon County, Florida, USA
November 29, 2015
Size: Wingspan ≈21mm
Attracted to black light. I cannot find a match among MPG's Pyraustinae but I did discover a very similar moth here, also from Florida and also unidentified. Please help.

Moved to Nacoleia charesalis
Moved from Blepharomastix.

Congratulations, Peter. Thanks to Jim Hayden's valuable assistance, you have added a new species for BugGuide.

Exciting turn of events!
Yes, Dr. Hayden's prompt reply to my inquiry was indeed a surprise. Thank you, Robert, for immediately putting together a rather comprehensive species page for the moth. Will it get a (temporary) Hodges number? Believe it or not, last night, I had a third individual at my black light, but it was so tattered that I am surprised it could fly. It's not worth posting.

I don't know the procedure for assigning new Hodges numbers. Perhaps it would be something presented at annual meeting of The Lepidopterists' Society (July)

Problem solved!
No, it's not a Blepharomastix. Contacting Jim Hayden obviously paid off - my thanks to him for providing an ID for this moth. Nacoleia charesalis is not listed in BG and MPG: The next move is yours, editors! Thank you.
Edit: The pdf Jim Hayden mentions is found here.

Another one
Eleven days after encountering this individual, another one showed up at my black light. It is posted here.

Moved to Blepharomastix
Moved from ID Request.

Blepharomastix sp.
While Blepharomastix ranalis ground is yellowish tan, it's the PM that bothers me. On all specimens on BG and MPG, the PM is relatively straight as it reaches the costa. This PM is more sinuous, curving back up before reaching the costa. Mark Dreiling's specimen looks spot-on for B. ranalis, yet two of his could only be "identified at the Blepharomastix genus level by DNA barcoding."

Nacoleia charesalis
This is Nacoleia charesalis, which has been spreading thru FL for a few years. See News of the Lepid. Soc. 57(1) (I have a PDF if you tell me where to post it). Tallahassee is a jump, but no surprise considering how fast it moved in 2014. Expect it in other states next year. Your observations about the PM line and hollow spot are right on -- not hard to ID from photos. Scholtens and Solis included it in their new Pyraloidea checklist (ZooKeys 535).

Thanks, Jim
I found the PDF and added to our references

More than I could expect!
Thank you all for spending time researching these types of moths for me. This individual was really as dark brown as the photo shows, and its presumed hollow orbital spot is quite indistinct, also in a photo I obtained last evening with a flash; the posted photo was taken today in daylight without a flash (less glare but more diffuse markings - at least with my camera). Shall it go to the Pyraustinae pool, or to the Blepharomastix page as suggested by Robert?
I hate to do this to the poor thing, but I'll keep it for possible later analyses.

Look at 5182. Also close

We are thinking the same. I think it is a poorly marked . I had a lot of them this fall and all were brown like this. I could not find any other species that had that hollow spot and PM line joining fringe.

Hmmm ...
A Hollow-spotted also has a distinct hollow orbicular, in addition to the hollow reniform. Still, everything else looks right. Perhaps it's obscure on this specimen. I'll see what I can find

I was thinking I can barely see one here. I DO know there are two obvious ones on all of the ones identified here. I looked a lot but will check the spread plates, which I did not do, just checked all the Blepharomastix. If this isn't it I would think it is a new species.

Well, I thoght they had some different looks but I had a Mimorista out of place so let's throw this one into the mix here.

Hmmm ...
I thinking if Mark Dreiling's DNA specimens could not be ID'd beyond genus, that most of our Blepharomastix ranalis are tenuous at best

Guess I will have to try sending one to BOLD. I had never considered them questionable.

Me neither
Until today

Opened a can of worms, eh?
And I became the beneficiary! Thanks again.

We all benefited ...
... from this exercise. It's the questionable specimens that we learn the most.

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