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Vespidae eyes

OK.... I'm gonna ask another question that none of my books seem to answer. I have a description of Vespid wasps as having "distinctly notched eyes" Sure, the paper wasp does, and the potter wasp does to an extent, but the photos I've seen of the bald-faced hornet show no notched eyes. So what makes them a vespid?

They do.
Here you go:

Its not a Bald-faced Hornet, but they all have the eyes as such.
But, among Vespoid wasps here are some other characters that separate them from other families:

-Pronotum (first segment of the thorax) horseshoe-shaped in dorsal view, triangular in lateral view, and reaching the tegulae ("shield" where the wings meet the thorax).

-Legs not as long as Pompilids, and coxae not so long.

-Anterior wings with first discoidal cell long, about half the length of the wing.

-Wings folded longitudinally at rest.

-Eyes normally notched on the inner margins.

There may be some characters I'm overlooking, but that's most of them.

I'll need to look up Pompilid
I'll need to look up Pompilids, and coxae, and discoid, but the rest I understood! :D

I wondered about the folding wings. Thanks so much!

Sorry about that.
Pompilids are the spider wasps, other wasps do hunt spiders but they have several morphological and biological distinctions.

Coxae are the segments that attach the legs to the thorax (proximal to distal: coxa, trochanter, femur, tibia, tarsus).

The first discoidal cell is in about the middle of the wing, see the diagram below:

"Constricted" eyes.
Ok, then read "constricted" eyes in that case. Also, all Vespidae (with the apparent exception of the Masarinae pollen wasps) fold their wings longitudinally when at rest. Check it out....

Simpler answer, I guess...
I was composing my response while you had already composed and posted yours:-)

thanks again.... you rescued
thanks again.... you rescued me twice in one day! My hero! tee hee

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