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Violet-banded Skipper - Lerema accius

Violet-banded Skipper - Lerema accius
Sabal Palm Sanctuary Brownsville, Cameron County, Texas, USA
January 26, 2017
Size: 30mm
Not sure about this, as it is a first time sighting for me. ID appreciated

Images of this individual: tag all
Violet-banded Skipper - Lerema accius Violet-banded Skipper - Lerema accius

Clouded Skipper male
Dorsal forewing shows distinctive slanted stigma and spot pattern of male Clouded skipper

Moved from Violet-banded Skipper.

Not sure
I am pretty sure this is not a Violet-banded, but I'm not positive what it is. My initial impression is a worn Clouded (here's a somewhat similar individual), but I'm not sure how to eliminate Fawn-spotted or perhaps Violet-clouded. Even a worn Violet-clouded should still show the large dorsal forewing spots and the ventral hindwing black spot, both of which are seemingly lacking on this individual. Additionally, the shading of the ventral forewing matches a typical Clouded/Fawn-spotted, with the palest area being at the margin. On Violet-banded, the area near the margin is darker.

 
I still see a faded area with a dark spot at the basal
leading edge of the ventral hindwing which does not occur with either Clouded or Fawn-spotted. I initially thought that this was a Clouded based on the dorsal forewing but this wing is so worn that spots are obliterated or faded out. Since this specimen is very worn the prominent hindwing dark spot should be faded and less prominent. I spent a lot of time and research on these images so it would be helpful if the experienced butterfliers would comment at ID request rather than after I have moved to species.

 
BugGuide vs. iNat
I was alerted to this post via iNaturalist and didn't see it when it was in ID request here on BugGuide.

 
Sorry Nick for the negative attitude
Just frustrated. I appreciate your helping me with butterfly ID even when I'm off base.

Undetermined on iNat
This skipper has generated conflicting opinons (and generally *not* in favor of Violet-banded) on iNaturalist by some well-seasoned butterfliers. Caution is advised.

Moved

Moved
Moved from ID Request.

Worn specimen makes ID difficult
The large square spot and two spots in cell of dorsal forewing may be present but not obvious. The small white spot at the basal leading edge of the forewing is very confusing but this could be a lack of scales as a result of damage. The distinctive dark spot on the shoulder of the ventral hindwing is diagnostic for Violet-spotted.
Neither Clouded or Fawn-spotted which are similar species have this dark shoulder spot.

 
Violet-banded Skipper
As I understand your comments and after viewing the BOA photos, the lack of a black spot on the wing does not rule out a Violet Banded Skipper and my observation was in fact a Violet banded
is my understanding correct?

Thanks
Galen Stewart

 
I should have indicated clearly that this
specimen does have a dark shoulder spot on the ventral hindwing although worn. This spot was the primary characteristic that I used for identification since the dorsal forewing is very worn and the spot pattern is questionable..

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