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Hypatopa punctiferella - Hodges#1208 (Hypatopa punctiferella)
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Copyright © 2017
A. Hendrickson
Hodges#1246 -
Hypatopa punctiferella
1.3 miles NW of Campwood, Edwards County, Texas, USA
January 28, 2016
Size: apx 8mm long
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Contributed by
A. Hendrickson
on 12 February, 2017 - 6:30am
Last updated 25 December, 2021 - 1:31am
Moved
Moved from
Scavenger Moths
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Aaron Hunt
, 25 December, 2021 - 1:31am
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Moved
Moved from
Twirler Moths and kin
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Steve Nanz
, 14 February, 2018 - 5:51pm
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Moved
Moved from
Twirler Moths
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A. Hendrickson
, 14 February, 2018 - 4:31pm
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Moved
Moved from
Pigritia murtfeldtella
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A. Hendrickson
, 14 February, 2018 - 4:30pm
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BOLD Details?
This does not look like
Pigritia
which typically has reduced or obsolete labial palpi. Could you please add BOLD specimen ID? I can't seem to find it.
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Steve Nanz
, 14 February, 2018 - 12:30pm
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TXLEP338-16
Your BOLD sample TXLEP338-16 in BIN BOLD:AAG8587, which contains 453 specimens identified as Pigritia murtfeldtella, is a gelechiid in or near Battaristis. I would have tentatively identified it as
Battaristis nigratomella
. Something is amiss.
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Steve Nanz
, 14 February, 2018 - 12:39pm
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Well, you would think with at much DNA for comparison nothing would be wrong.
As for Battaristis migratomella - I have had some very similar, but I don't think this one looks like that. They all have that angular PM line.
This one reminds me more of the Holcocera genus that Ed Knudson suggested for my [thumb:1302688. Looking closely I think their palps and antenna bases are similar. I have a lot of photographs of these.
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A. Hendrickson
, 14 February, 2018 - 2:25pm
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BOLD ID??
I think I was unclear. You have two samples at BOLD identified as
Pigritia murtfeldtella
but neither is in that genus. One is the above. Please provide the BOLD ID as I cannot find it. Your
Holcocera
suggestion is more reasonable.
The second,
TXLEP338-16
is not the above specimen. It is one of yours but it's in the BIN for
Pigritia murtfeldtella
even though it is clearly near
Battaristis nigratomella
:
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Steve Nanz
, 14 February, 2018 - 2:40pm
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Red faced
I cannot find it either. I have no explanation unless I thought the BOLD representatives in this BIN looked like this one from Schulenburg that was a mystery. It does not even have a field number in my records.
As for the Battaristis - I have it in my files as B. concinusella - dickered over that ID for a long time.
Moved it on BOLD back to Gelchiidae although it clearly had a 100% match with P. murtfeldtella. Have made a policy of naming them what BOLD has identified when it is solid. Could NOT have looked at this photograph when I made the move!
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A. Hendrickson
, 14 February, 2018 - 4:29pm
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OK but...
please remove the confusing "BOLD has given this specimen a 100% match to species."
Also, ask BOLD what's going on with the Battaristis sp. Did they mess up the barcode? Contamination? Switched specimens? It is possible for a bacteria to transfer COI from one individual to another causing unrelated specimens to have the same barcode but that's really rare if in fact it does happen.
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Steve Nanz
, 14 February, 2018 - 5:55pm
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