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Pyrausta onythesalis - Hodges#5042 (Pyrausta onythesalis)
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Copyright © 2007
Mark Dreiling
5042 -
Pyrausta onythesalis
Bartlesville, Washington County, Oklahoma, USA
August 6, 2007
It came to UV light near pond in wooded area of a flood plain.
From the guide page information here, it looks, to me, like 5043 - Pyrausta pseudonythesalis
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Contributed by
Mark Dreiling
on 7 August, 2007 - 3:04pm
Last updated 21 May, 2009 - 10:42pm
Moved
Moved from
Pyrausta pseudonythesalis
to
P. onythesalis
as per John Fisher's revised ID emailed to Mark and me.
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Robin McLeod
, 21 May, 2009 - 10:40pm
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Details?
I'm reviewing the images of
onythesalis
and
pseudonythesalis
, particularly of TX and OK specimens. It would be VERY useful to hear why/how John Fisher re-determined this moth...or any image of this pair of species. Now, some years later, can anyone shed further light on the ID of these two similar species? Thanks in advance.
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Chuck Sexton
, 12 June, 2015 - 10:02pm
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don't know
My comment was made in May 2009 so I checked my email account but discovered I have no saved messages older than 2010, and can't remember anything about John's message. Maybe Mark has something?
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Robin McLeod
, 14 June, 2015 - 9:57pm
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I found
and forwarded the emails to Chuck
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Mark Dreiling
, 15 June, 2015 - 7:08am
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John Fisher's remarks on these
Mark, Thanks for forwarding the earlier emails. Unfortunately, John Fisher's remarks add little to resolve the issue other than stating that after he refered to the fascicle, he determined that specimens in John Nelsons's collection were
ornythesalis
and further (a) that specimens in OK are
ornythesalis
and, (b) "according to Munroe",
pseudornythesalis
is restricted to TX and thence westward. That is very unsatisfying. It is also unlikely since the Red River is not a very common or effective biogeographical boundary. Pardon me for being nit-picky; other than by genetalic dissection, the details for separating these two taxa are still a black box to us non-professionals.
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Chuck Sexton
, 15 June, 2015 - 2:34pm
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Wing shape
I thought for sure this must be
pseudonythesalis
but it happens that this image is still on the page for
pseudonythesalis
at MPG and I could see immediately that the wing shape was quite different. It would appear that
pseudonythesalis
has a more long-winged look with more acute apices. This is noted in the fascicle. I don't trust wing shape, especially for live moths, but I do think it's worth mentioning.
I agree, these need to be dissected or barcoded. I'm removing it from MPG for now.
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Steve Nanz
, 10 June, 2019 - 11:46am
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Moved
Moved from
Pyrausta
.
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Mark Dreiling
, 8 August, 2007 - 3:20am
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Looks Like It
B.P.
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Bob Patterson
, 8 August, 2007 - 1:05am
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Great!
Thanks, Bob. The extended flooding in early July put a damper on the diversity of moths observed. Things are picking up some now.
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Mark Dreiling
, 8 August, 2007 - 3:18am
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