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Plataea personaria - Hodges#6922 (Plataea personaria)
Photo#1351801
Copyright © 2017
Jim Moore
Plataea ursaria -
Plataea personaria
-
Rancho Santa Fe, San Diego County, California, USA
February 25, 1973
Size: Wingspan 33mm
ID obtained via comparison at
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Contributed by
Jim Moore
on 31 March, 2017 - 12:04am
Last updated 4 February, 2021 - 12:16pm
Moved
Moved from
Plataea ursaria
.
…
James Bailey
, 4 February, 2021 - 12:16pm
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Too small
I think this might be
personaria
based on size but really not sure.
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Steve Nanz
, 3 January, 2019 - 3:09pm
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Hi Steve
I did debate on where to place this specimen; but only considered appearance of wing patterns based on images at MPG. My second choice was
P. californiaria
.
I spent some time today reviewing images of
P. personaria
,
P. californiaria
, and
P. ursaria
here on BugGuide, MPG, and at BOLD. My intuition is more than a few of these specimens ID is in error.
I also read the info and viewed images of these 3 species within "
A Revision of the Moth Genus Plataea (Lepidoptera, Geometridae) by F. Rindge;"
and this discussuion here
(
1
)
on BugGuide, which concluded with your own comment.
Rindge does states the range of
P. ursaria
as being montane, rather than the coastal plain, from where my specimen was found.
P. ursaria
, is, as you noted larger. So I think it would be safe to say, based on Rindge, my specimen is not
P. ursaria
, and is
P. personaria
.
I ran some DNA sequences at BOLD and was surprised to see how genetically similar
P. ursaria
and
P. californiaria
specimens were; and yet were distinct from
P. personaria
.
I would think that these three species would benefit from a good review based on many new specimens being examined: via genitalic disection, DNA sequencing, good photos showing variation of wing patterns; and accurate range data.
Thank you for your insight, and concerns for accuracy in moth identification!
…
Jim Moore
, 4 January, 2019 - 1:52am
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