Ceriana abbreviata

Image 276381 also has a yello

Image 276381 also has a yellow notopleural spot.

… Bill Dean, 25 June, 2020 - 5:19am

… Even Dankowicz, 24 June, 2020 - 3:52pm

Shouldn't that be mime? accor

Shouldn't that be mime? according to Kevin: 1. C. mime always has a pair of additional spots on the scutum above the anepisternum and before the transverse suture.

… Martin Hauser, 24 June, 2020 - 5:07pm

I think he did't mean that C.

I think he did't mean that C.abbreviata always lacks these spots, just that C. mime always has them (so if they're absent it must be Cabbreviata)

… Even Dankowicz, 2 July, 2020 - 1:36pm

Does that mean if the notople

Does that mean if the notopleural spot is present, then the only way to separate them is by the markings on tergite 2 wider at sides narrowing towards middle(difficult) which leaves markings on tergite 4 not reaching side margins = mime? Then what about image 1495509
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… Bill Dean, 3 July, 2020 - 2:23am

That seems right to me as wel

That seems right to me as well; I think this should be C mime and maybe the C abbreviata ID was in error.

Am I missing something? Is this not a normal case of C. mime?

… Even Dankowicz, 15 March, 2021 - 3:46pm

I have given up trying to sep

I have given up trying to separate mime and abbreviata. I have sent pictures to Kevin and they haven`t been resolved.

… Bill Dean, 15 March, 2021 - 6:30pm

Based on BG images I don't th

Based on BG images I don't think T4 spot is reliable to separate T. mime from T. abbreviata from each other, only from other species (sometimes), but maybe Kevin could clarify what he meant; I may have misunderstood.

… Even Dankowicz, 3 July, 2020 - 6:26am

Specimen

I collected this, if there's anything you want me to check. Based on the photo, it doesn't seem to have the abdominal characters mentioned by Kevin Moran.

… Ben Coulter, 24 June, 2020 - 8:09pm

Ben, this is good to know...

Ben, this is good to know... I am not currently working on this genus, but I am not sure if somebody in Jeff Skevington's lab is interested in them. Great that you caught such an interesting fly!

… Martin Hauser, 25 June, 2020 - 11:39am

From this angle I don't think

From this angle I don't think we can necesssarily see if the T2 yellow band expands laterally?

… Even Dankowicz, 2 July, 2020 - 1:34pm

I have more

I'll add some more photos later tonight.

… Ben Coulter, 2 July, 2020 - 7:42pm

Thanks for adding more, they

Thanks for adding more, they look great!

… Martin Hauser, 3 July, 2020 - 11:28am

Added photos of T2 show this

… Even Dankowicz, 3 July, 2020 - 6:21am