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Common Eastern Velvet Ant (Dasymutilla occidentalis)
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Copyright © 2007
Daleigh
orange & black bug -
Dasymutilla occidentalis
East of Beatrice, Gage County, Nebraska, USA
September 14, 2007
Size: approx. 7/8"
I'm having trouble identifying this insect for a zoology class.
Sorry it is not a live specimen. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Daleigh
on 25 September, 2007 - 10:00am
Last updated 9 October, 2007 - 6:15pm
Velvet ant
DO NOT PUT GET CLOSE TO IT IT STING HURTS WORSE THAN A FIRE ANT!!!!!
they are related to wasps more than ants!!!
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Randall
, 26 September, 2007 - 10:39am
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Try starting Here .
Try starting
Here
.
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Michael Guenther
, 25 September, 2007 - 10:03am
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I agree.
At that size, and in that location, it is probably a (faded) specimen of Dasymutilla occidentalis.
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Eric R. Eaton
, 25 September, 2007 - 10:54am
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Is this one possible?
I don't know enough about velvet ants to really question anyones ID, I just thought Dasymutilla aureola might be possible.
Is the head too narrow for it to be Dasymutilla aureola? I'm just trying to learn more.
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John R. Maxwell
, 25 September, 2007 - 10:07am
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D. occidentalis
D. aureola only occurs in the west (usually California and Oregon), and the head is distinctly broader than the thorax. Also, its thorax is as broad as long. It's a bit hard to tell from this pic, but D. occidentalis' thorax is noticeably longer than broad. You can see it in other pictures.
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George Waldren
, 25 September, 2007 - 6:48pm
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D. occidentalis
The western populations of this species used to be called D. occidentalis var. comanche. Basically, any specimens from east of the Mississippi River are D. occidentalis occidentalis, and specimens from between the Mississippi River and Rocky Mountains are D. occidentalis comanche. They were separated by slight color differences, and have recently been sunk together. The western populations usually range from orange to yellow, while the specimens from farther east have that typical brilliant scarlet color.
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Kevin Williams
, 26 September, 2007 - 2:00pm
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Kevin, is the synonymy in you
Kevin, is the synonymy in your upcoming paper with Dr. Pitts?
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George Waldren
, 26 September, 2007 - 2:35pm
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I was mistaken
I guess the "subspecies" are still valid at this point. I thought that they were sunk together in a paper on Dasymutilla by Manley & Pitts that came out earlier this year, but I was mistaken for a synonymy of D. vesta. The synonymy for D. occidentalis has been suspected for a while, but I guess it hasn't been formally published yet.
There have been at least 5-6 small papers and one very large one published on Dasymutilla in the last 3 years, and I have a hard time remembering which synonymies and associations have been published yet.
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Kevin Williams
, 26 September, 2007 - 4:03pm
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This insect
Is it common to see this in Louisiana. I took a picture of one in Basile, Louisiana yesterday that my 2 year old nephew was chasing around the yard. If he gets bite what exactly happens? Are they poisonous?
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jwebb
, 14 August, 2009 - 11:23pm
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Nothing serious or permanent
Mutillid venom has very low lethality or toxicity, but it can be extremely painful. Strangely, the Cow Killer's sting is much more painful, but much less harmful than that of a honeybee.
I don't know how long the pain would last for a 2 year old, but it would definitely be very painful for the child and I would do everything I could to prevent them from being stung.
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Kevin Williams
, 15 August, 2009 - 12:00am
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