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Home » Guide » Arthropods (Arthropoda) » Hexapods (Hexapoda) » Insects (Insecta) » Dragonflies and Damselflies (Odonata) » Dragonflies (Anisoptera) » Skimmers (Libellulidae) » Meadowhawks (Sympetrum) » Mature red adult: internum, janeae, obtrusum, rubicundulum species group (Sympetrum Mature red adult: internum, janeae, obtrusum, rubicundulum species group)
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Sympetrum Sp151.jpg - Sympetrum - male
Copyright © 2007 Steve Nanz

Sympetrum Sp151.jpg - Sympetrum - Male
Staten Island, Richmond County, New York, USA
I am certainly not an expert but I think this is Sympetrum rubicundulum based on the shape of the hamule as seen in the linked image. I figured it would be helpful to those struggling with this group. If anyone disagrees with the ID and/or thinks it only confuses the issue more, feel free to move these images.

I should mention that I've been told that S. internum is the the more common species in this area.

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Sympetrum Sp151.jpg - Sympetrum - male Sympetrum Sp151.jpg - Sympetrum - male
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Contributed by Steve Nanz on 14 November, 2007 - 5:34am
Last updated 7 September, 2017 - 7:21am

Moved
Moved from Meadowhawks.
… Steve Nanz, 7 September, 2017 - 7:21am login or register to post comments

Moved
Moved from Ruby Meadowhawk.
… Steve Nanz, 7 September, 2017 - 7:18am login or register to post comments

Wow! The face really looks white --
We would have guessed obtrusum. No wonder we keep talking about just moving all these images to a combined page. Do we really know what any of the images really are? obtrusum, rubicundulum, internum -- what a mess! Are we watching speciation occur? Or do we just not know enough?
… john and jane balaban, 14 November, 2007 - 10:23am login or register to post comments

 
doesn't look that white here
I see it as fairly dull off-white on this admittedly dark monitor. I'd fairly safely say this is rubicundulum or internum (or janae if you want to accept that as valid).
… Jason Forbes, 14 November, 2007 - 10:44am login or register to post comments

 
I Agree
My monitor is very bright and the face appears to me off white. And yes, I don't think any of the photos are really useful at this point for ID without a clear view of the reproductive organs and even then it's probably speculative. I'd not be surprised if all three of these species eventually get lumped. Check out this article here.
… Steve Nanz, 14 November, 2007 - 6:37pm login or register to post comments

 
Just on morphological differences ...
... I don't think S. obtrusum would get lumped with the rubicundulum, internum, janae group. I can certainly see janae getting lumped back with internum or with rubicundulum or being called a hybrid. The potential lumping of rubicundulum and internum is certainly where things get interesting. I don't see any new information on this since your post; do you know of any?
… CircusCyaneus, 11 September, 2013 - 3:12pm login or register to post comments

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