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Neohelvibotys neohelvialis - Hodges#4977 (Neohelvibotys neohelvialis)
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Copyright © 2008
Steve Scott
Pyralid -
Neohelvibotys neohelvialis
Fairfield, Wayne County, Illinois, USA
August 5, 2007
Attracted to my garage light at night. Looks to be something in the Neohelvibotys/Helvibotys group.
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Contributed by
Steve Scott
on 13 January, 2008 - 5:26pm
Last updated 3 February, 2023 - 6:58pm
Moved
Moved from
Helvibotys helvialis
.
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Steve Morris
, 3 February, 2023 - 6:58pm
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Possibly not Helvibotys helvialis
The outer margin is dark. According to Capps
here
,
Neohelvibotys neohelvialis
has outer margin concolorous with the wing markings whereas the outer margin of
Helvibotys helvialis
is concolorous with the ground color.
Edit: A couple BOLD images from Landry seem to contradict this but I understand that in general older specimens at BOLD may not have been actually tested.
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Steve Nanz
, 16 March, 2015 - 4:29am
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Probably Helvibotys helvialis
Dr. Scholtens told me that any
Helvibotys
/
Neohelvibotys
north of TN-GA is almost definitely
Helvibotys helvialis
. See the his comments on the genus page.
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Kyhl Austin
, 21 March, 2016 - 3:39pm
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OK
But did Dr. Scholtens see this one? Wayne County in in southern IL and not that far outside of the known range for
Neohelvibotys neohelvialis
. The image does not match BOLD images or the description of
H. helvialis
but seems to match both for
N. neohelvialis
and there is a BOLD specimen from Maryland which seems further out of range. The MD record looks legit. It was barcoded and resides in the BIN for
N. neohelvialis
,
BOLD:AAA8238
.
Might be worth getting his opinion on this one.
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Steve Nanz
, 21 March, 2016 - 5:09pm
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Ken Childs has told me they're indistinguishable
Without DNA or dissection. I'll ask Dr. Scholtens about it.
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Kyhl Austin
, 21 March, 2016 - 6:41pm
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Another one
If you haven't already done so, send him #
445769
from Delaware. That one clearly matches
Neohelvibotys neohelvialis
.
I also left a comment on one of Ken's submissions
here
and one of Mark's
here
which may be of interest. I'm getting the impression that Capps (1967) did get it right so I'll be very interested in what Dr. Scholtens says.
Thanks!
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Steve Nanz
, 22 March, 2016 - 10:46am
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Moved
Moved from
Pyraloidea
.
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Steve Scott
, 25 June, 2008 - 8:16am
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Moved
Moved from
Moths
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john and jane balaban
, 2 February, 2008 - 9:41pm
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Maybe
Maybe something like 4977 - Neohelvibotys Moth - Neohelvibotys neohelvialis, or something close?
http://mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/Files/JV/Plate25.1.shtml
http://mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/Files/Live/Living24.9.shtml
Maybe 4979 or 4980?
Anyway I think Neohelvibotys, look at some of these
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Neohelvibotys+&domains=mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu&sitesearch=mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu
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John R. Maxwell
, 17 January, 2008 - 9:47pm
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Agreed
but I don't have a resource that helps me to distinguish between the species. Guess we'll just have to leave at genus.
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Steve Scott
, 17 January, 2008 - 11:24pm
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Neohelvibotys or Helvibotys
That is the question? (4980 is close too)
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John R. Maxwell
, 18 January, 2008 - 12:00am
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Helvibotys species
...and based on location, this should be
H. helvialis
, the only species of either genus with confirmed records in the northern states.
I asked Bob Patterson about the identity of his photo
here
from Maryland, and he wasn't sure so he asked Brian Scholtens who said the most northerly records of
Neohelvibotys
species he's certain of are from the Smokies (North Carolina/Tennessee). I made a
helvialis
species page
with lots more info and links.
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Robin McLeod
, 24 June, 2008 - 11:12pm
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Thanks!
For going the extra mile. :)
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Steve Scott
, 25 June, 2008 - 8:17am
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How About....
How about a
Hahncappsia jaralis
? Look at MPG
here
for a comparison. (Second row.)
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Kenneth Dwain Harrelson
, 14 January, 2008 - 1:57am
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I was looking
at the same place. Our Info page says that the PM line in Hahncappsia is toothed which sets it apart from the others. That was what led me to the other possiblities.
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Steve Scott
, 14 January, 2008 - 9:41am
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Toothed
Toothed in a manner like this:
I was trying to identify this specimen of mine when I found it and yours on the same plate and almost next to each other.
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Kenneth Dwain Harrelson
, 14 January, 2008 - 6:19pm
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