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Entanoneura batesella
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Copyright © 2019
Peter May
Dicromantispa interrupta? -
Entanoneura batesella
DeLeon Springs, Volusia County, Florida, USA
June 20, 2019
Size: 35mm head to wing-tips
Attracted to lights at night. Thanks for help with ID.
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Contributed by
Peter May
on 24 June, 2019 - 7:17am
Last updated 26 December, 2020 - 12:05am
Moved
Moved from
Entanoneura
.
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Jonathan Hoskins
, 26 December, 2020 - 12:05am
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Moved
Moved from
Mantidflies
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I'll let those with more expertise determine whether or not a species page is warranted.
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Ken Wolgemuth
, 10 September, 2020 - 4:43pm
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Entanoneura
More than 10 RS branches - it must be Entanoneura. It is unlikely that this is an undescribed species, most likely there is an isolated area of the batesella range in Florida. It seems that this is a novelty for the US fauna...
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Vladislav Grigorenko
, 10 September, 2020 - 4:32pm
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Different species
This has got to be a different species than what has been documented in the U.S. It has several unique features:
The color (brown and yellow), number of forks in wing venation (a dozen or more wishbones), and length/shape of neck (shorter, stouter, and curved) make these really distinct.
Compare side-by-side with the
typical Dicromantispa sayi
I've only seen two others like this:
here
and
here
If someone can collect one of these unusual Florida specimens and send it to me, I can sequence the DNA to assist with identification.
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Russell Pfau
, 15 February, 2020 - 9:54am
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a third one
Here's a third one
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Russell Pfau
, 15 February, 2020 - 10:15am
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Doesn't look especially novel for potential D. sayi to me
I'm a bit rusty on all the taxonomic subtleties of
Dicromantispa
and its relation to similar-looking taxa, but I'd hazard to say this might be reasonably placed as
D. sayi
based on "current" circumscriptions (i.e. presuming things haven't changed since I studied the situation in 2013).
Note that
D. sayi
is a variable species, with at least two color forms...for details see "Identification" and "Remarks" headings on
this BugGuide info page
. So I don't think there's a clear notion a "typical
D. sayi
" in the vernacular sense. But the 3-banded antennae here seem compatible with the southern form of
D. sayi
...though the "chocolate & banana" body hues are similar color form of
Leptomantispa pulchella
. The saturated colors (and very slight "waviness" in the wings) make me wonder whether this may be a teneral individual?
I actually can't discern the wishbones well in the photo here. And, just to be clear, the "wishbones" characters is something I proposed in the remarks & comments
here
...and while the idea may be useful, I don't know whether formal mantispid taxonomists would fully embrace them ;-). Plus, they can be difficult to count without a clear transverse view of a single fore-wing edge (overlap can often make it hard to clearly discern & count the relevant "wishbones" from the morass of other veins when two wings are held closely together).
Finally, I don't know if the shape/length in the neck here is possibly diagnostic of it being something else. Perhaps it's just the result a voluntary movement that mantispids can make? Or simply individual variation? (Good old variation...the bane of dreams for a "tidy" taxonomy! ;-)
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Aaron Schusteff
, 15 February, 2020 - 2:51pm
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Is this Dicromantispa...
...or could it be another genus? I'll move this one (if warranted) and also the other BugGuide submission you referenced.
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Ken Wolgemuth
, 15 February, 2020 - 10:08am
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Moved
Moved from
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Not
D. interrupta
--but I can't tell you more than that, unfortuately. With luck, others will take the ID further.
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Ken Wolgemuth
, 24 June, 2019 - 5:02pm
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