Thanks Steve.....I thought we would eventually connect this one that seems to prefer perching on the wall with it's wings closed together above it's abdomine, with a good dorsal view of the top of it's wings.

We had a bunch of emails going back and forth trying to unravel this species and a couple similar species so don't be surprised if I didn't get this one right.

There are times that we just have to take "Our" best shot , until it can be proven otherwise.
Is anyone working with DNA studies on some of the more difficult groups of insects yet?

I'm sure there are but I'm the wrong person to ask. Bob Patterson would likely know. You might get more info from All-Leps here. Info here is interesting. Over 40% of the N. A. Lepidoptera species have yet to be barcoded. This moth is in the subfamily Larentiinae of which 249 of the 472 species have been barcoded. It's a big achievement on one hand but on the other hand it shows how much we don't know. When I look up moths by genus, there are often DNA tested spp. because, from what I understand, the specimen doesn't fit a known species.

Now in 2025, IF, we can just get them to start wearing their DNA codes so they are automatically ID'd using a digital camera ! Sure would avoid a lot of labor. : -) Then there's satelite mapping & tracking of each species' population & distribution ..... Oh , yea , I missed a few steps along the way.