Identification, Images, & Information
For Insects, Spiders & Their Kin
For the United States & Canada
Clickable Guide
Moths Butterflies Flies Caterpillars Flies Dragonflies Flies Mantids Cockroaches Bees and Wasps Walkingsticks Earwigs Ants Termites Hoppers and Kin Hoppers and Kin Beetles True Bugs Fleas Grasshoppers and Kin Ticks Spiders Scorpions Centipedes Millipedes

Calendar
Upcoming Events

Photos of insects and people from the 2024 BugGuide gathering in Idaho July 24-27

Moth submissions from National Moth Week 2024

Photos of insects and people from the 2022 BugGuide gathering in New Mexico, July 20-24

Photos of insects and people from the Spring 2021 gathering in Louisiana, April 28-May 2

Photos of insects and people from the 2019 gathering in Louisiana, July 25-27

Photos of insects and people from the 2018 gathering in Virginia, July 27-29


Previous events


TaxonomyBrowseInfoImagesLinksBooksData
Photo#1761578
Noctuinae - Hadena ectypa

Noctuinae - Hadena ectypa
Châteauguay, Quebec, Canada
July 17, 2019

Moved
Moved from Disparaged Arches. Thanks for creating the direct link to the iNaturalist posting! Although I originally placed this at Orthodes detracta, there were several features of this moth that left me questioning that placement. The lack of reddish color in the median area seemed a bit off for O. detracta, but my biggest concern was that the basal and AM areas of this moth did not look much like any of the detracta I have seen. With detracta the area between the AM and basal lines really does not show anything in the way of maculation. On this moth, the basal dashes coming from the center of the thorax and the dark spots adjacent to the end of the basal dash (almost creating a dark bar), were markings that I could find on any detracta. Also, detracta typically has a basal dash that comes down from the edges of the thorax and the area beyond that to the costa is noticeably paler than the rest of the forewing. That trait was lacking on this moth. So when you informed me of Chris Schmidt's thoughts on this one at iNaturalist, I looked into all of the species that he thought were potential matches. The only one that really matches up well to this moth is Hadena ectypa, which is what it appears Chris was leaning toward. There are very few images of this species online which makes it hard to find when searching. We only have one spreadwing image at MPG and it is not as contrasting as this moth and would be very easy to overlook. Fortunately we have some very good images of Hadena ectypa here at BugGuide that I trust are correctly identified because they were reared from Silene, a known plant host for this species. Those images also match up well with several reputable websites from Massachusetts and North Caroline that are linked here at BugGuide and MPG. And your moth matches up well with all of these. It seems strange that this moth would be so rare, when Silene is so broadly distributed. I wonder if this species is not diurnal or not attracted to light. It could also be that it has been misidentied as other species as I did. I plan to go through all of the BugGuide images of Orthodes detracta to see if there might be some more of these hiding there. I am really glad you caught my mistake and that Chris Schmidt posted the comments he did at iNaturalist. Now of course, if Chris decides this is something other than Hadena ectypa we will have to move it again because Chris is much more of an expert than I am.

Update: A fairly thorough search of the current images placed at Orthodes detracta found about a half dozen misplaced bugs, but none were Hadena ectypa. So this does appear to be quite a rare species.

Moved
Moved from Owlet Moths.

 
Hi Steve, This one seems a
Hi Steve,

This one seems a bit complicated.

See comment of Chris Schmidt: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/37917209

That said, maybe you're right, but I'll keep your suggestion and wait a bit.

Thanks

 
direct link
For whatever reason, pasting the url above into my browser does not work and never has. In a reply to this comment, please try to create a direct link to the iNaturalist posting by following the instructions on how to do this that are found under the 'Markup' section of the BugGuide 'Help' section which is found at the end of the menu bar at the top of the page.

I am really interested in what Chris has to say because I was not 100% of the identity of this moth. If you have any problems creating a direct link, send me an email and I can probably walk you through it in a way that is not possible within a BugGuide comment. You can find my email by clicking on my name below this comment.

Moved

 
Link

Comment viewing options
Select your preferred way to display the comments and click 'Save settings' to activate your changes.