Moth - Phyllonorycter celtifoliella

this one

… john and jane balaban, 23 August, 2020 - 12:55pm

Moved to Phyllonorycter celtifoliella

Moved from ID Request.

Tentative ID.

Powell’s two spread images on the MPG page for “0724.97 – Cremastobombycia sp. – Unidentified Cremastobombycia Moths” have nothing to do with Mark Dreiling’s images . That is a page for unidentified moths and not a for a particular unidentified species. Powell’s moths are from California. Mark’s are from Oklahoma. They are of different species.

I believe that your moth may be Phyllonorycter celtifoliella. I agree that they match Mark’s two “Cremastobombycia sp.” at MPG which were both DNA test. The barcode places them in Phyllonorycter, not Cremastobombycia. They actually fall nicely in the BIN group for P. celtifoliella which can be much browner and more infused with dark scales. However, the illustration in Braun (1908) matches Mark’s specimens a lot better than those darker examples currently shown at MPG.

… Steve Nanz, 23 August, 2020 - 9:57am

Thanks for the detailed info

Thanks for the detailed info on this Steve and thanks for your time as well. If you have time could you also please look at this posting of similar looking moth from 06/23?
Thanks
Keshav.

… Keshava Mysore, 23 August, 2020 - 11:23am

MPG has something listed as

Unidentified Cremastobombycia
but we're not sure how to tell it from
Phyllonorycter celtisella

… john and jane balaban, 21 August, 2020 - 2:29pm

Thanks, yes that's what I als

Thanks, yes that's what I also thought (https://bugguide.net/node/view/1879243) and Tracy S. Feldmen also suggests on my post of a similar moth dated 06/23. He says it is more similar to the unidentified Cremastobombycia sp based on some features or markings on face (https://bugguide.net/node/view/1879246).

… Keshava Mysore, 21 August, 2020 - 5:51pm

I don't know if these marking

I don't know if these markings are diagnostic, but there are some differences, at least in between the two specimens in the photos.

… Tracy S. Feldman, 21 August, 2020 - 8:06pm

Gracillariidae--Cameraria or

Gracillariidae--Cameraria or Phyllonorycter?

… Tracy S. Feldman, 21 August, 2020 - 1:33pm