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Help!! - Venusia

Help!! - Venusia
Angelica, Allegany County, New York, USA
June 13, 2008
Thought this may be a 7428 - Venusia comptaria but the more I looked/researched could it be something else, possibly 7419 - Hydrelia lucata? See some matches that come closer to H. lucata than V. comptaria for example: See:

Moved from Moths.

Definitely Venusia, and I'm pretty sure this is Venusia cambrica. If I'm not mistaken, V. comptaria doesn't have a variation that gets this dark with this much gray and black scaling, whereas cambrica does. If I could make out the ST line it would help, but I feel pretty confident that this is V. cambrica.

Hi J. D.
My reasoning for thinking V. comptaria and not V. cambrica is the absence of triangular spots along the terminal area. Any ideas on that being diagnostic.?


Not sure
I'm not sure if that's diagnostic or not. I know on All-Leps they have most with the (somewhat) triangular terminal dashes and some with just straight dashes. I know that the ST line is diagnostic, but I haven't read anything on the terminal dashes.

And I'm not aware of comptaria having a variation with that much black and gray scaling, but it's a tough call. It could even be another Venusia, so if you want to just move it to genus level and see if someone more experienced with Larentiinae comes along to help, that's certainly not a bad idea.

Here's a dark specimen from GA, if it helps.

* Edit - I just found out that comptaria does have a melanic form that was previously known as Venusia palumbes (Franclemont, 1938), although I can't track down any pictures. So there's a good chance that you're right, and this may be the melanic comptaria.

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