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chionanthi or forbesi (Sympistis chionanthi or forbesi)
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Brent Guinn
Sympistis chionanthi -
Sympistis
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
July 28, 2021
Confirmed on iNaturalist by Doug Macaulay.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/89051997
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Contributed by
Brent Guinn
on 1 October, 2021 - 2:34pm
Last updated 15 April, 2022 - 11:13am
Moved
Moved from
Fringe-Tree Sallow
.
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Brent Guinn
, 15 April, 2022 - 11:13am
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Moved
Moved from
Sympistis forbesi
.
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Brent Guinn
, 2 October, 2021 - 7:55am
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How
was this confirmed?
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MJ Hatfield
, 14 April, 2022 - 6:14am
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Based on provided photo that
Based on provided photo that was also posted in iNaturalist. See link in description.
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Brent Guinn
, 14 April, 2022 - 7:09pm
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I ask
because Zacharczenko and Wagner ("A new cryptic
Sympistis
from eastern North America...") write:
“A
Triosteum
-feeding species of
Sympistis
is described from eastern North America:
Sympistis forbesi
sp. n. Identity of the new species is most reliably determined from larval morphology and host plant association—both adult scaling and genitalic characters overlap with those of
Sympisitis chionanthi
, a
Chionanthus
and
Fraxinus feeder
.”
“We were unable to identify any consistent genitalic differences in either the male or female genitalia that distinguish
S. forbesi
from
S. chionanthi
.”
“Although the adults of
S. forbesi
and
S. chionanthi
are difficult (and sometimes impossible) to distinguish even upon dissection…”
“We were unable to find consistent differences in male or female genitalia in
S. chionanthi
(representing five states and provinces), or between
S. chionanthi
and
S. forbesi
.”
“The adults of
Sympistis forbesi
and
S. chionanthi
are mixed in collections that we have examined (under the latter name).”
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MJ Hatfield
, 14 April, 2022 - 8:33pm
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Maybe better to put it as jus
Maybe better to put it as just Sympistis then? Or is there a complex for them?
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Brent Guinn
, 14 April, 2022 - 8:52pm
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I see there is one a https://
I see there is one a https://bugguide.net/node/view/1481920. Should I move it there?
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Brent Guinn
, 14 April, 2022 - 8:53pm
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I would.
And maybe something for fun? Look for larvae of either species.
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MJ Hatfield
, 14 April, 2022 - 9:09pm
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You say confirmed as chionanthi
but you posted to forbesi ???
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john and jane balaban
, 1 October, 2021 - 7:19pm
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Thanks for catching this. Whe
Thanks for catching this. When I searched for Sympistis chionanthi I didn't notice that the guide item returned was forbesi.
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Brent Guinn
, 2 October, 2021 - 7:57am
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Moved
Moved from
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Brent Guinn
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