Chalcidoid? - Odontofroggatia

Re: Odontofroggatia

Mikie, I think Bob's main point about your images was that they were really, really dark. The fact that they were so dark was especially sad because they were the guide's only photos of this genus. It's also been a year, and nothing's been done about it. Therefore, I've taken the liberty of lightening the images as best I can and re-uploading them. If you have any concerns, let me know.

… John Schneider, 8 November, 2023 - 11:40pm

Moved

Moved from Chalcidoid Wasps.

… Jonathan Hoskins, 10 September, 2022 - 5:43am

Odontofroggatia

Epichrysomallinae

… Jeong Yoo, 13 August, 2022 - 5:32pm

Thanks!

I updated my ID on inaturalist

… Mikie Green, 13 August, 2022 - 5:41pm

Moved

Moved from ID Request.

… Bob Zuparko, 13 August, 2022 - 10:57am

Yes, undoubtedly this ...

... is a chalcidoid. Regretfully, the images keep me from being more specific at this time. But the elongated pronotum is quite unusual, and may help with a family determination down the road.

… Bob Zuparko, 10 August, 2022 - 9:08am

I have images

I have more angles. Which kind of photos you would need for a better ID?

… Mikie Green, 10 August, 2022 - 10:15am

In general, the two best ...

... morphological parts for determining chalcidoid IDs (at least to family level) are 1. the venation of the fore wing, and 2. the number, shape and size of the segments of the antenna. For both of these, details are most easily seen when the wings and antenna are away from the body and backlit ... which is hard to accomplish with a living specimen. In the case of your specimen, I think the elongated pronotum most likely places this in either the subfamily Calosotinae (family Eupelmidae), or subfamily Cleonyminae (family Pteromalidae). You can usually separate these two families by an examination of the mesopleuron (which is on the side of the thorax). If it is smoothly bulging out, then it is a eupelmid, but if it is flat and has a slight depression (in which the middle leg can sort of fold into), then it would be a pteromalid. But your images are so dark, I'm not optimistic about getting a more solid ID.

… Bob Zuparko, 12 August, 2022 - 10:48am