Electronic World Catalog of Symphyta

Symphyta

We are not using the term "Symphyta" in the guide, but "Sawflies, Horntails, and Wood Wasps". I think that this was discussed at some point but I can't remember the reasons given. It seems that the term Symphyta is still very much in use (although it is not considered a natural group any more) so why don't we use it?
Also, perhaps an explanation is needed in the info page.

… Beatriz Moisset, 17 July, 2009 - 9:14pm

The original discussion

by John Ascher is here

… john and jane balaban, 18 July, 2009 - 1:43am

I have no strong objection to:

No Taxon - Symphyta - Sawflies, Horntails, and Wood Wasps.

The only problem is that without annotation people might mistakenly assume that Symphyta is a natural group if appearing together with Aculeata, Apocrita, Anthophila and other "No taxon" names that are natural (monophyletic) groups.

I support following ECatSym.

… John S. Ascher, 19 July, 2009 - 12:32pm

i like this suggestion a lot---

--just adding the word 'Symphyta' [still very popular indeed, even among experts] and keeping the 'No Taxon' status

… v belov, 19 July, 2009 - 3:16pm

ECatSym is an up-to-date worl

ECatSym is an up-to-date world catalog of sawflies maintained by people at the Deutsches Entomologisches Institut, Muncheberg, Germany, with input from other sawfly specialists. It is the best thing to check for currant usage of names. Some do differ from those in common or recent use in N. Amer.

… Dave Smith, 17 July, 2009 - 8:08am

We have no objection

provided the folks who have been working on the sawflies agree. There may be a reason to stay with Nearctica for consistency, but we don't have one. We only ask that you let this simmer here for several weeks before you start making changes. Especially with folks offline for the holidays, they may not see this suggestion for several weeks.

… john and jane balaban, 23 December, 2008 - 10:17am

just discovered this topic --

(and i've made a lame attempt to figure out some BG's sawflies, too, so i may or may not be eligible)
i support the idea of using the quoted source as a taxonomy framework for the symphytan section.

… v belov, 29 December, 2008 - 2:39pm

No objection here, either....

As long as you make sure to note the older names in "synonymy" on the guide page, I have no objection to you going ahead and making changes. This is assuming that anyone searching Bugguide with the older name will still get the correct species results.....

… Eric R. Eaton, 23 December, 2008 - 2:40pm