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Giant Swallowtail? - Papilio glaucus

Giant Swallowtail? - Papilio glaucus
Bunker Hill Forest Preserve, Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA
September 2, 2005
Size: 3mm
While we were looking for Enchenopa nymphs, we saw a couple of these tiny caterpillars feeding on Ptelea trifoliata. Since Ptelea is one of two members of the citrus family that we have in the Chicago region, we're guessing this is Papilio cresphontes. Confirmation or correction would be appreciated.

Moved
Moved from Giant Swallowtail. Found some larger caterpillars on Ptelea today and they were definitely glaucus. Will try to get them posted later.

Yes, interesting. We don't know either.
We just assume that Papilio we find on Wafer Ash and Prickly Ash, our two local Citrus plants, are cresphontes, and the big ones we find certainly are. We think we took some small ones on Prickly ash. We'll see if we posted those images and provide a link for comparison.

Here's an 11 mm one and it does have a white posterior!

Guess we'll have to search for some small ones this year and see!

I'm surprized this one never caused a discussion.
I look at it, and I see Papilio glaucus, but they are so similar at this age that I don't know if one can be certain. Usually (I thought always) P. cresphontes is pale at the end of the abdomen once past the first instar (even usually then). Usually the blue (sometimes white) spots are more obvious on P. glaucus (but they are in the same place on both). I have no idea if P. glaucus can use Ptelea; I would have said not, but could be wrong (I don't think there are any host records in Rutaceae nor Apiaceae for any Pterourus species).

I'm not saying this one is wrong, just pointing out some observations.

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