Moth - Neoalbertia constans

Moved to Neoalbertia constans

Moved from Neofelderia rata.

Tentative ID. This is not Neofelderia rata (Edwards, 1882) which has a black head, black thorax, and black along coastal margin. There are two examples in BugGuide for that species as well as a link to BOLD images.

… Steve Nanz, 9 December, 2016 - 11:21am

New info?

Did you find some new info prompting the move?

… Jason D. Roberts, 9 December, 2016 - 11:36am

yes

I looked up the original descriptions and I updated the pages. This is not Neofelderia rata (Edwards, 1882) which has a black head, black thorax, and black along coastal margin. There are two examples in BugGuide for that species as well as a link to BOLD images.

I moved several images and was about to put in the explanation but you beat me. The move to constans is tentative but I don't see any other candidates.

… Steve Nanz, 9 December, 2016 - 11:39am

Good deal

I remember checking the BOLD page back when this image was being considered, and seeing they had some N. rata that did *not* have the black costa. I thought maybe it wasn't diagnostic, but I just checked the BOLD N. rata page again, and they only have one specimen of "rata" without a black costa, and upon closer look it seems an apparent mistake - looks like they placed a constans or related on the rata page by accident.

Good catch Steve. I figured you found some new info, since you're one of our better lep detectives. :-)

… Jason D. Roberts, 9 December, 2016 - 11:50am

Bogus BOLD ID

The odd ball, sample ID:CCDB-19576-G01, is a bad ID. It probably is constans but it was not barcoded.

… Steve Nanz, 9 December, 2016 - 11:53am

Well there ya go

Not even barcoded.

Thanks for all the work you do on these Steve. It's much appreciated.

… Jason D. Roberts, 9 December, 2016 - 11:57am

Moved

Moved from Neofelderia.

… margarethe brummermann, 7 October, 2009 - 11:51pm

Moved

Moved from Lycomorpha.

… margarethe brummermann, 7 October, 2009 - 11:49pm

Neofelderia

It looks to me to be Neofelderia rata - a close relative of Neoalbertia constans. However, I say that with just a little reservation, because there is almost nothing published on that species.

But the rather distinct wide, somewhat angled black outer margin, and the orange thorax and patagia (concolorous with the FW), look just right for N. rata. I'd love to see the HW to be more certain, but I feel confident in the ID.

… Jason D. Roberts, 7 October, 2009 - 8:31pm

Thank you very much!

when I work through this summer's frozen specimen, I'll photograph the HW.

… margarethe brummermann, 7 October, 2009 - 11:46pm

Freezer

Hey, that's neat! I was wondering if anyone else had a freezer full of specimens. lol

I find it the best way to store specimens that I don't have time to get to right away. (And I have a very understanding wife thank goodness)

… Jason D. Roberts, 7 October, 2009 - 11:55pm

me too - & an understanding husband :-)

The people at my publishing company aren't nearly as happy when they find I've been stowing things in the office freezer, though. (Well, if I collect something at the bus stop on the way to work, where else am I going to put it?)

… Abigail Parker, 8 October, 2009 - 9:12am

In a container that doesn't show

what's inside? If someone snoops, he deserves it!

… margarethe brummermann, 8 October, 2009 - 11:50am

In an opaque bag

My containers are clear, but I put them in a paper or opaque plastic bag. Yeah, I think anyone who's going through the freezer looking for food that's not theirs deserves to find a bag of dead flies every now and then. (And why does everyone assume that the bag of flies is mine? That's profiling!)

… Abigail Parker, 8 October, 2009 - 11:59am

Moved

Moved from ID Request.

… margarethe brummermann, 21 July, 2009 - 5:48pm

Are you sure?

Are you sure this isn't Neoalbertia constans (Zygaenidae)? None of the Lycomorphae seem to have this exact pattern of black on the wing tips.

… Richard C. Hoyer, 29 July, 2009 - 9:45am

I'm not sure anymore -

You seem to ask the same question concerning your own picture

So should I move mine back to moths?

… margarethe brummermann, 29 July, 2009 - 10:29am

this just got an N. constans ID

I was searching for a Guide page to move it to when I found the comments here. Don't know if it helps with yours, though.

… Abigail Parker, 7 October, 2009 - 10:28am

Thanks, Abigail

for pointing it out. Mine has a wider black border, otherwise very similar. I've asked the person who Ided the other one to please take a look...

… margarethe brummermann, 7 October, 2009 - 7:29pm

Lycomorpha sp?

looks about right

… Ethan Friedman, 21 July, 2009 - 7:29am

I took it because of that:

imitation of a Lycus arizonensis, which was flying in the same aeria

… margarethe brummermann, 21 July, 2009 - 8:43am