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Grape Leaf Skeletonizer - Hodges#4626 (Neoalbertia constans)
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Copyright © 2009
margarethe brummermann
Moth -
Neoalbertia constans
Montezuma Pass, Huachucas, Cochise County, Arizona, USA
July 18, 2009
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Contributed by
margarethe brummermann
on 20 July, 2009 - 11:35pm
Last updated 9 December, 2016 - 11:21am
Moved to Neoalbertia constans
Moved from
Neofelderia rata
.
Tentative ID. This is not
Neofelderia rata
(Edwards, 1882) which has a black head, black thorax, and black along coastal margin. There are two examples in BugGuide for that species as well as a link to BOLD images.
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Steve Nanz
, 9 December, 2016 - 11:21am
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New info?
Did you find some new info prompting the move?
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Jason D. Roberts
, 9 December, 2016 - 11:36am
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yes
I looked up the original descriptions and I updated the pages. This is not
Neofelderia rata
(Edwards, 1882) which has a black head, black thorax, and black along coastal margin. There are two examples in BugGuide for that species as well as a link to BOLD images.
I moved several images and was about to put in the explanation but you beat me. The move to
constans
is tentative but I don't see any other candidates.
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Steve Nanz
, 9 December, 2016 - 11:39am
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Good deal
I remember checking the BOLD page back when this image was being considered, and seeing they had some
N. rata
that did *not* have the black costa. I thought maybe it wasn't diagnostic, but I just checked the BOLD
N. rata
page again, and they only have one specimen of "rata" without a black costa, and upon closer look it seems an apparent mistake - looks like they placed a
constans
or related on the
rata
page by accident.
Good catch Steve. I figured you found some new info, since you're one of our better lep detectives. :-)
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Jason D. Roberts
, 9 December, 2016 - 11:50am
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Bogus BOLD ID
The odd ball, sample ID:CCDB-19576-G01, is a bad ID. It probably is
constans
but it was not barcoded.
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Steve Nanz
, 9 December, 2016 - 11:53am
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Well there ya go
Not even barcoded.
Thanks for all the work you do on these Steve. It's much appreciated.
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Jason D. Roberts
, 9 December, 2016 - 11:57am
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Moved
Moved from
Neofelderia
.
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margarethe brummermann
, 7 October, 2009 - 11:51pm
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Moved
Moved from
Lycomorpha
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margarethe brummermann
, 7 October, 2009 - 11:49pm
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Neofelderia
It looks to me to be
Neofelderia rata
- a close relative of
Neoalbertia constans
. However, I say that with
just a little
reservation, because there is almost nothing published on that species.
But the rather distinct wide, somewhat angled black outer margin, and the orange thorax and patagia (concolorous with the FW), look just right for
N. rata
. I'd love to see the HW to be more certain, but I feel confident in the ID.
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Jason D. Roberts
, 7 October, 2009 - 8:31pm
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Thank you very much!
when I work through this summer's frozen specimen, I'll photograph the HW.
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margarethe brummermann
, 7 October, 2009 - 11:46pm
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Freezer
Hey, that's neat! I was wondering if anyone else had a freezer full of specimens. lol
I find it the best way to store specimens that I don't have time to get to right away. (And I have a very understanding wife thank goodness)
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Jason D. Roberts
, 7 October, 2009 - 11:55pm
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me too - & an understanding husband :-)
The people at my publishing company aren't nearly as happy when they find I've been stowing things in the office freezer, though. (Well, if I collect something at the bus stop on the way to work, where else am I going to put it?)
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Abigail Parker
, 8 October, 2009 - 9:12am
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In a container that doesn't show
what's inside? If someone snoops, he deserves it!
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margarethe brummermann
, 8 October, 2009 - 11:50am
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In an opaque bag
My containers are clear, but I put them in a paper or opaque plastic bag. Yeah, I think anyone who's going through the freezer looking for food that's not theirs deserves to find a bag of dead flies every now and then. (And why does everyone assume that the bag of flies is mine? That's profiling!)
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Abigail Parker
, 8 October, 2009 - 11:59am
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Moved
Moved from
ID Request
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margarethe brummermann
, 21 July, 2009 - 5:48pm
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Are you sure?
Are you sure this isn't Neoalbertia constans (Zygaenidae)? None of the Lycomorphae seem to have this exact pattern of black on the wing tips.
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Richard C. Hoyer
, 29 July, 2009 - 9:45am
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I'm not sure anymore -
You seem to ask the same question concerning your own picture
So should I move mine back to moths?
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margarethe brummermann
, 29 July, 2009 - 10:29am
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this just got an N. constans ID
I was searching for a Guide page to move it to when I found the comments here. Don't know if it helps with yours, though.
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Abigail Parker
, 7 October, 2009 - 10:28am
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Thanks, Abigail
for pointing it out. Mine has a wider black border, otherwise very similar. I've asked the person who Ided the other one to please take a look...
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margarethe brummermann
, 7 October, 2009 - 7:29pm
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Lycomorpha sp?
looks about right
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Ethan Friedman
, 21 July, 2009 - 7:29am
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I took it because of that:
imitation of a Lycus arizonensis, which was flying in the same aeria
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margarethe brummermann
, 21 July, 2009 - 8:43am
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