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No Taxon pages for hymenoptera nest images

Hello everybody! I was just wondering if this issue had already been discussed? If so, my apologies...

In the case of certain well-photographed species, for example Dolichovespula maculata, we have now reached the point where there are a significant number of images featuring nests (both dormant and active). Although I don't think this has been done elsewhere in the guide, it seems as though there is some precedence for creating a "No Taxon" page for the nest images, in that they are showcasing the pre-adult stages of the insect, just as our many similar guide pages for "eggs" "nymphs" and "hatchlings" accomplish. I am only suggesting this option of segregating the images of nests where there are a considerable number of accumulated images. In the example I have already given for the Baldfaced Hornet, by my rough count there are at least 60 images of nests (this would constitute a couple pages of images). My thinking is that this would make it slightly quicker to browse through the many existing images featuring the insect, and also that it might be nice for someone attempting to study the nests themselves to be able to quickly view them all in one location.

I think it's a good idea, but I would feel uncomfortable instigating such a trend though without some support from other editors and/or contributors. Please leave me a comment and let me know whether you think this would be an improvement to the site. Thanks!

UPDATE
I was about to create the page in question when I realized that I wasn't exactly sure what to title it... I believe the first instance of such a page in the guide may be used as a template for other similar pages in the future, so I want to make sure I get it right. For the title of these "No Taxon" subcategories below certain species pages of hymenoptera, I would suggest using the wording:

Nests, larvae and pupae


My thinking is that it would be better for the category to be fairly inclusive so that we don't end up with several different "No Taxon" pages being created (i.e., one page for "nests", one page showing "pupal cases", another showing "grubs", etc.). I'm not sure that there will really be enough images to adequately fill out sections that are so narrowly defined. Plus, many times several stages of life and the nest are all represented in a single shot (see this example), and it would then become very difficult to know which of the specific categories to place the image.

To those who have been following this post, I'm curious to have your input!

 
Sigh!
Things always turn out more complicated than at first sight. I think that the larvae, pupae, groups of individuals at the nest should remain where they are. I was thinking along the lines of just empty nests, nests that somebody collected or a shrub with a nest on it. I wouldn't move the one you gave as an example. However: this or this would be better off in the new section. I count 21 that I would consider moving.
If it gets too complicated I would be inclined to just leave things the way they are.
My two cents.

 
I've been thinking some more about this idea...
...and I'm not sure whether it's worth it. I don't want to create more problems than I solve! I thought there was some conjecture that BugGuide 2.0 might have more checkboxes for tagging submissions... perhaps one of those will be "nest" and then we can just filter the species images through the advanced search when trying to view all of the nest photos.

If I change my mind and decide to give the whole "No Taxon pages for nest images" a try, I'll be sure to update this page with my intentions. Thanks for everyone's input!

Wait a second....
I am not in favor of lumping all "nests" together. Perhaps you mean a no taxon page on the order of the "young nymphs" page for the Scudderia bush katydids? That way, the nest images are still associated with the proper taxon, not lumped under "Hymenoptera." I hope I am making clear my distinction here. If the nest can be identified to species, genus, or even family, then it needs to be left in that taxon, not elevated to "Hymenoptera" taxon. Thank you.

 
The way I see it
is creating a subpage of Dolichovespula maculata and putting on it the nests of that species, and only the nests, not the close-ups with a good view of the insect. Harsi: isn't that what you meant?

 
Yes, Beatriz, that is exactly what I meant!
Sorry if I confused you, Eric, but do not fear I would never dream of lumping ALL of the nests together -- that would be a ridiculously silly and bad idea! No, my thinking was only to create subpages for species when the number of identified nest images became significant.

I'm going to hold off on doing anything until the weekend, just in case anyone else still wants to comment, but barring any other reservations, it sounds like I have at least 3 "yes" votes... (Eric, can I make you the 4th?)

 
Sure.
Thanks for the clarification, as it wasn't abundantly clear what you meant initially.

Absolutely, Great idea
You are planning to make a No Taxon sub category under D.mac for the nests? Go ahead and do it. It makes great sense to separate out all those images from the insects themselves. Some small nests may be posted to showcase the queen instead of the nest in which case they should probably remain with the insect images.

 
I agree
Very good idea. Go ahead.

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