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Fraternal Renia Moth - Hodges#8385 (Renia fraternalis)
Photo#330958
Copyright © 2009
David A. Copeland
Fraternal Renia Moth - 8385 - Dorsal -
Renia fraternalis
North Shelby, Birmingham 35244, Shelby County, Alabama, USA
September 6, 2009
First record in Alabama on BugGuide for this Moth.
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Contributed by
David A. Copeland
on 9 September, 2009 - 1:45pm
Last updated 29 October, 2009 - 9:55am
Moved
Moved from
Moths
.
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Abigail Parker
, 17 October, 2009 - 3:55pm
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Moved
Moved from
Sober Renia
. Doesn't really look right, so better to get an ID
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John R. Maxwell
, 25 September, 2009 - 12:10pm
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Agreed
It looks like a well marked
Renia fraternalis
to me.
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Jason D. Roberts
, 1 October, 2009 - 8:14pm
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vs. 8378 – Renia salusalis?
Is there a way to separate females? Forbes
here
says that female
fraternalis
and
salusalis
are indistinguishable.
If they cannot be separated, I'm thinking we should have a no taxon "
fraternalis
or
salusalis
" page. It would be little weird because there are not images currently under under
salusalis
and the only images under
fraternalis
are of females, so both species would be left empty.
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Steve Nanz
, 19 February, 2015 - 7:06am
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Not sure
I'm not really certain whether Forbes' observation regarding females is still accurate. I haven't followed the literature in years, so it might be or may not be. That said, the above specimen is most likely a male and seems to fit well, granted this entire group is often a difficult gradient in which to pinpoint various species by appearances.
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Jason D. Roberts
, 19 February, 2015 - 11:31am
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Gender
What make this a male? The palps are different than many of those which have antennae with no tufts. Is that it? Sorry for all the pesky questions. If it's too time consuming, just say so.
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Steve Nanz
, 26 February, 2015 - 11:07am
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Gender
The antennae are tucked too far under the FW to see the tufts, but the palpi are curved upward. In females, you'll notice the palpi are straight forward (porrect) and each typically bends outward making a little v at the terminal segments of the palpi. A good example of this is here:
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Jason D. Roberts
, 26 February, 2015 - 11:20am
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Follow Up Question
There are a number of similar examples in BugGuide placed under Renia discoloralis. The source appears to be a tentative ID of an image
here
. Could you please take a look?
Here is a list of photo numbers that I suspect may be Renia fraternalis:
353702
359207
416845
418513
429177
488635
573338
577068
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Steve Nanz
, 29 September, 2011 - 3:54am
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Moved
I was working on cleaning up the R. fraternalis page, as there were some photos of other Herminiines that were misidentified there, and while I was at it I moved these photos to the guide page. All look like good matches for R. fraternalis. What do you think about
this
photo? It's a bit farther north than I've ever seen the species, but I can't think of what else it could possibly be...
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Paul Dennehy
, 3 April, 2012 - 10:39am
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Great
Now we need a guide page for this speciman and
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David A. Copeland
, 2 October, 2009 - 4:13pm
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