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OBNOXIOUS Critter-Bite Question

Ok I dont have a BLACK belt in bugs like most of you! I know this may sound like a ridiculous question -- but I'm serious and all I can tell you is the symptoms of the bite.... i have no clue as to what is bitting -- but it's scary and the symptoms are worse! I thought maybe one of the experts that frequent this site may know something... So, heres a question maybe you guys can answer:

I live in Western Montana. Every spring someone in the family gets bit on the back of the neck - just inside the hair line. These bites produce large swelling (almost golf ball size) bleed substantially afterward - usually cause headaches and gland soreness. The symptoms last up to a week. Bite area is horribly itchy. My wife and my mom both complained of it effecting their ability to focus/train of thought for a few days. Odd thing is - we never find the critter responsible and you never actually feel the bite. It seems it alwyas happens (we think) in the morning hours when its cool as I said in spring. As my wife and my Mom have been bitten (not just the kids) its not from going through any brush - I believe its some sort of flying insect. Maybe something that has a short hatch/life cycle? We did find some little beetle looking guys (kind of like a box elder? only smaller) Anyway, IM CLUELESS -- I know this is an obsurd question -- but Does anyone have any ideas - pictures/suggestions of what were looking for.

i got bit by something that l
i got bit by something that looks like this and it has the same m.o. your describing but the bite didn't bleed afterwards and it was in Ohio, so far everywhere i look it says these r in area such as Texas but it looked just like this and i was wondering if someone had any idea if i was freaking out for nothing or if it was this bug..

 
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Mystery bites in Montana
Ian,
Not to dicourage use of this site, but I found an excellent article on Univ of FL's site. Here is the direct link to their findings on black flies. http://creatures.ifas.ufl.edu/livestock/bfly.htm
The article includes does and don'ts to ward off the critters.

Conenose bug, Kissing beatle, Walipi Tiger, Assissin beatle
Those are the official names given this nocternal, blood-sucking, pest of the US Southwest. There are some good comments, but I feel compelled to give a bit of personal history. Short story version: By the time I realized what was giving me those itchy welts, I had become sensitized to their toxin. It's in their saliva and is used to numb their victim. After consulting Pioson Control, I drove thirty plus miles to the local ER to get shot up with Benadryl. The fat lips and itchy palms were symptoms of a severe reaction. I moved to the Nortcentral states for a few years and was introduced to the Box Elder beatle ... I almost freaked! Box Elder beatles live in ... Box Elder trees ... in LARGE colonies. To my delight, Box Elder beatles are harmless. I am back out in the Southwest and have had a few Conenose bites with no reaction other than a mild itch and very slight swelling. A word of caution: These little critters have caused fatalities of very elderly people in southern California. If you are experiencing repeated bites, I would urge you to seek medical advice. If you can take Benadryl, keep it on hand and use it imediately after the bite. Activated charcoal may also help. These overgrown toxic "mosquitoes" {eat your heart out Minnisotta) sneak up on their victim late at night, typically about 11:00 pm or later. Conenose bugs fly in during the early evening usually crashing into a wall. They are lousy at landing, but crawl away quickly into hiding. They hide in the sheets of beds, behind the head board or under the bed. Before you crawl in for the night, strip the sheets and have a flashlight and a containment or killing device in hand. If you have an abundance of rodents in the shed, that needs to be cleaned out. Conenose bugs thrive and breed in messy rodent dens.

 
Response to Delta Charlie
With all due respect, conenose bugs are not known to range into Montana, and usually cursory searching of one's bedroom turns up the insect, as they are large and easily noticed. They are not "beatles", or even "beetles" (please consider using your spell checker next time), but "true bugs." Their hosts are almost exclusively wood rats, not rodents in general. In short, please be more careful in rendering comments here. While you are correct that Triatoma have caused fatalities, that is an extermely rare occurence, especially here in the U.S. While personal anecdotes are more than welcome, we try not to panic people who write to us with vague symptoms such as this submitter describes. Thank you for your understanding, and your contribution.

 
Since I'm here...
a number (large) of years ago the Conenose Bug was implicated as being a vector for plague in the four-corners area. So- Eric, was this debunked and all the blame is now on the fleas?

 
Conenose bug
Eric,
Thanks for your input, seriously. I had my doubts of these critters being active that far north, but I didn't want to totally exclude the possibility. And yes, I noticed my fat fingering of the keyboard shortly after I submitted the information. Sorry! Also, I did not intend to create "panic" but precaution to prevent further harm.
Now, your "wood rats" may be simular to our "pack rats", but I have never heard of "wood rats" in the Arizona Desert. I will tell you for a fact that these bugs (I did not give them the other "beatle" names, those came out of books) thrive on pack rats, kangaroo rats and the various mice that live in this desert.
What I thought was really good was the article on Black Flies. My mistake for thinking they were only found around the Northern Great Lakes area. There, they are most active during July and bite anywhere they find bare flesh.
Just trying to help. If you disaprove, say so and I will discontinue use of this site.

 
No worries.
I tend to get worked up because I know how much misinformation is out there on the 'net already, and I want Bugguide to be one of the most accurate sources for people. Please forgive the intensity of my comments. I'm also a writer, so the spelling thing flips my wig, too:-) The additional rodent hosts you mention for Triatoma might be new records. I do know that, south of the U.S.-Mexico border, triatomines are also feeding on opposums and other mammals, maybe even poultry as I recall. I have no quarrel with anything about black flies. My knowledge of Diptera in general is rather minimal:-) Please don't stop posting, but do be careful of the sources you are using. Thank you.

 
Thanks
I agree with you regarding misinformation. That's why I prefer to use actual experiences when possible. Bugs are just part of the environment I live in and desire to understand. I never really pondered the bug vs beetle thing, so that was good input. It makes me curious ... what's the difference between a June "Bug" and a May "Beetle"? Another mislabeling? Lastly, I would encourage you to check out the web sites of Univ. of AZ for assassin bugs and Univ. of FL for black flies ... excellent information.

 
true
but, it is not Triatomes that cause the fatalities. They transmit the protozoan that causes Chagas disease (which causes the fatalities), Trypanosoma cruzi

 
Yes and no....
Excellent point, Omar, but in researching these insects, I have found instances in which the bite itself caused anaphylactic shock, and in some cases the victim perished.

 
aaaahh..yes
tricky tricky. yes of course that is true, but that wasnt what i was thinking of when i thought of a fatality. its not the first thing that comes to mind when you think Triatoma you got me, again
always a pleasure Eric

Black Flies (Simuliidae)
Today I came across a small Agriculture Canada pamphlet from 1973 called Black Flies [publication 1499]. It describes almost everything you mentioned, so I'll quote those parts below.

Black flies attack massively and viciously or in such small numbers that they are scarcely noticeable. They bite quietly and painlessly so that you may not be aware of having been attacked until small droplets of blood start oozing from your skin. Black flies often crawl into your hairline or through openings in your clothes before they bite you. Therefore, the bites are usually behind your ears, around your neck and beltline, and on the lower parts of your legs.
A typical black-fly bite consists of a round, pink, itchy swollen area, with a droplet of fresh or dried blood at the center. When the blood is rubbed away, a minute subcutaneous hemorrhage is visible. This hemorrhage and the surrounding pink area become diffuse and larger, and then disappear within a few days. Itching may continue intermittently for weeks, whenever the bitten area is rubbed. Scratching may cause severe secondary skin infections.
Toxins injected during an extended severe attack can cause a general illness sometimes called black-fly fever, characterized by headache, fever, nausea, and swollen, painful neck glands.
Attacks occur throughout late spring and early summer or sometimes throughout the entire summer.
Black flies attack most severely about sunrise and again at sunset.


The pamphlet gives details on several species; Simulium arcticum sounds like a good candidate in your area:
...a species of the western plains that breeds in enormous numbers in the rapids of large rivers...
Humans are infrequently bitten; however, a single bite can cause a severe reaction in some people.
...sometimes called the buffalo gnat (which suggests that it was originally a pest of buffalo)
Most outbreaks occur within a few miles of the largest mountain-fed rivers. However, during massive outbreaks wind-borne swarms have killed livestock farther afield: in one instance in central Saskatchewan, the livestock that were killed were 140 miles (225 km) from the nearest rapids.
The severest outbreaks of S. arcticum occur mainly between mid-May and mid-June

In discussing the effects on livestock (cattle): Massive outbreaks of S. arcticum can be extremely dangerous to animals. Reactions to the injected saliva can be rapid. Fluid-filled swellings along the underline may be noticeable within an hour or so. In the more severely affected animals breathing may become heavy and jerky, and the muscles may start trembling. Animals with these symptoms may die within 15 minutes to 2 hours, or they may make a complete recovery within 48 hours. Recovery may be aided by an immediate injection of antihistamine, but the dosage and administration must be supervised by a veterinarian.

 
Wow, isn't that something. _
Wow, isn't that something.
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Conenose Bug- Triatoma
The mention of a bug, along with the references to freely bleeding bites, irritation and welts reminds me of the bloodsucking conenose bugs. I'm not sure, however, if they make it that far north. The only images we have on Bugguide are of a southeastern species: . In the southwestern US they're often found in woodrat or packrat nests.

 
Most curious
We have bugs like that by the DROVES up here. We live at the foothills of the Rockies (Mission Mountain Range) and are surrounded by trees. I thought they were the Western Conifer seed bug. But, would they bite in the spring for some strange reason? I mean -- each fall we have them everywhere - and man do they stink! But never any bites in the fall... only springtime. ALSO - Still no answer from county extension office (Montana State University). I will round up one of the many carcasses of this bug and post a picture.

 
Wester Conifer Seed Bug
Those probably are the Wester Conifer Seed Bug . Another similar-looking species is the Boxelder bug , but I don't think those stink- the Conifer Seed Bugs do.

The conenose bug wouldn't show itself much, so you might have them too- though my suggestion of them as the culprit is only a (barely) educated guess. Others who know a lot more about bugs than I do have suggested other possibilities

Biting Bug,
I doubt it's a tick, based on the description of a freely bleeding wound. If it's something that's biting regularly at the hairline, it's most likely some kind of fly. I would guess horse fly or deer fly of some kind. Deer flies can carry TULAREMIA see description on this site.

 
horse/deer fly
Horse and deer flies... we have! but they usually land and bite and you feel it (painful). These must land and crawl up under the hair - but its consistant - about an inch up into the hairline on the back of the neck and no one has ever felt the bite... every time -- the victim won't even know they've been bit. Whatever it is it's smart and stealthy. I dont think its a spider... the odds of the same type of spider year after year biting in the same place are fractional. The strange thing is it is always the first month of good weather (after snow/ice melts) in the spring. And year after year someone gets bit (if not more than one). I'm going to figure this out -- and I will keep you all posted!

 
This sounds...
like my experiences with Deer Flies, sometimes a slight touch in the hair, later on the bite (painless) occurs near the hair line, or later at night on the face or neck. The swelling can be epic, one would be at home ringing the bell on a french cathedral. When outdoors a dose of insect repellant and combing out the hair (watch for bug parts) before retiring seemed to work. Do you have a marsh, pond or stream nearby? Early spring is good for Deer Flies emerging and seeking out a nice meal.

 
Tabanidae.
I would agree with the diagnosis of a horse fly or deer fly. The fact that the blood keeps running really points to those critters. Plus, there is substantial evidence that bites of tabanids can cause severe reactions in sensitive people. It would really pay to get an allergist with a strong background in entomology to address the affected person(s). Get them to go into the field if possible, to witness whatever might be causing this. Definitely need a medical professional involved. The problem should not be taken lightly, as immune responses may worsen year after year, bite after bite.

 
Maybe
it's just a nasty species of mosquito? Species of Aedes and Ochlerotatus are produced in irrigation and flood waters in the spring and early summer.

update
I still have no idea on the mystery bug bite... I have a call into my county extension office and sent email to 4 fo the agents. Hopefull will have some information. AND if so... im going to shoot one of these buggers (with a camera of course) and let you all know!

 
doctor?
The symptoms certainly sound serious enough to see a physician esp. due to the fact that it is on the neck, near the head. Once having a local jumping spider identified (it had bitten my brother on back of hand while sleeping) the entomologist said they are not poisonous but can be quite serious is bitten in the neck/head area and a Dr. should be seen.

The symptoms sound a bit like Lyme disease (don't think you have it out your way, its vector is a deer tick and I think is just here in the Northeast) and the fact that tick bits are rarely felt, but all the swelling does not really fit. My only other thought is spider not insect. Many people will have a severe reaction to spider bites. Sure hope you figure it out and let us know and that there are no long term problems!

 
Lyme Disease Range
The bacteria that causes Lyme disease has in the past few years been found in a few ticks in southern California, but I'm not sure about human cases.

 
Lyme Disease
see map at this site.

 
Lyme disease
has been documented in ticks from many locations with woodrat and deer populations. There was a suggestion that in areas with lizards (usually genus Sceloporus) as an intermediate host, the lizards would act as a biological filter and clear the tick nymphs of the pathogen, preventing spread to large mammals. Some work implied that the spirochete could be passed transovarian from the adult female tick to the larva. Just some tidbits.

 
Deer tick...
I believe we may have rocky mtn spotted fever in our area (not sure). But wouldnt the tick "burrow" in. I mean don't your normally have to get after them with a match or grease or somen to get them to let go?

 
Tick bites
Ticks usually have to be "connected" for several hours to transmit diseases (note: "usually"), and they stay connected, feeding, for hours.

The currently approved method of removing a tick is to grasp it firmly (protecting your fingers with medical-type gloves or tissue) and pull straight out steadily until it lets go. The use of a match, or grease on top, to make the tick let go is not recommended.

While ticks bites (with or without the tick being a disease carrier) can cause raised, itchy lumps--and though ticks prefer the site you've talked about, the "freely bleeding" part doesn't fit with tick bites...unless the person in whose hair the tick was hiding causes an itchy spot which the person scratches--and the tick is dislodged (perhaps engorged) without the person being aware of it. Tick bites are initially painless...we notice them when the itchy lump begins to form (if we have failed to do an adequate "tick check" on return from outside.)

Causes of swellings
I might back up a step and consider a wide range of things that could be causing the swellings, including illnesses. Are you sure there are insect involved?

--Stephen

Stephen Cresswell
Buckhannon, WV
www.stephencresswell.com

 
insect involved
yes most definately -- it happens in the spring time -- a number of family members have been bitten -- all of my children (4) my niece, my wife and my mom. The one thing they have in common is hair that goes on to their neckline. I have never been bitten (I have a shaved head). The bug always bites about an inch up into the hairline. The bites leave a mark almost like a yellow jacket/horsefly bite (without the pain) meaning they take a chunk. YOU NEVER feel the bite until a few hours later or until you feel the blood running down your neck. SERIOUS! My wife just told me after a day or so you almost get flu like symptoms - as I mentioned earlier. But you never feel the bite or see the culprit. 2 things in common - spring and people with hair that the bug can hide in and do his deed. And to eliminate any other questions -- we have a VERY clean house -- kids bathe daily -- if not every other day. We practice good hygiene. Bedding is washed regularly. It doesn't happen in the house. The kids will go outside to play and come back with blood trickling down their neck. OR my wife will go down to the garden... and BAM! It's weird. AND its painful (not initially - but within 12-24 hours the glands in your neck swell too and get hard and PAINFUL).

 
Spring bites
Ian, I'm in south central MT (almost WY) - something like this happened to me one spring, too. I was wearing a cap - and whatever it was got under it. I was thinking at first flies (or "no-see-ums"). Then a HUGE welt rose. So then I thought spider. Later my whole head got bumpy & incredibly itchy.

I finally went to the doctor. Whatever the heck it was ended up causing the lymph nodes in my head to flare up. Still a mystery here.

 
Mystery bites in Montana
Karen,
I passed this info on to Ian also. It is a link to Univ. of FL's info on black flies ... an excellent article.
http://creatures.ifas.ufl.edu/livestock/bfly.htm

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