Argyrodes projiciens, male - Rhomphaea projiciens

re: the male

Hi, Joe. Did Hank say anything about whether this was an adult or a penultimate? The palps looks swollen but not fully developed. If he *is* a penultimate, I wonder what he'll look like after another molt? I don't know much about this genus yet.

… Mandy Howe, 25 June, 2010 - 3:20am

Subadult

Yes, subadult male, IMO.

[Hmmm, if so, then penultimate, as Mandy mentioned -- the image of a mature male that I've seen shows a pretty slender pedipalp.]

… Kevin Pfeiffer, 25 June, 2010 - 4:47am

We made a comment on one of your female images

referring you to two of the pages in the guide, but looks like you looked through one of them already.

… john and jane balaban, 24 June, 2010 - 12:27pm

Ok, moved the page.

It will take a few minutes before the images catch up to the page move, but they will end up in the right place within the hour. Sorry, made the page based on your ID. Should have looked it up ourselves before making the page. Thanks for checking on it. Did you look through the two pages we posted on the female images? Could you identify any of those spiders?

… john and jane balaban, 24 June, 2010 - 10:38am

I suspect that this was my mi

I suspect that this was my mistake. Texas A&M hires Hank to catch up their spider backlogs! Or perhaps it takes a few years for taxonomists to accept new revisions.

I'm not sure what pages you're referring to. The other Rhomphaea? I see that spine on a few of the images, but I'm not ready to call any of them. I'd rather wait until I have more confidence from photos ID's from specimens. I'm about to start a photographic survey of the spiders of central Texas, with Hank ID'ing, so I'm hoping to get there.

… Joe Lapp, 24 June, 2010 - 11:44am

Joe, that sounds great. Do think about posting some images of pedipalps and epigynes, if possible. But even without, it's always helpful to get habitus images of positively determined species.

Should you end up with any duplicates, you are more than welcome to send them my way.

-K

… Kevin Pfeiffer, 25 June, 2010 - 4:50am

Moved

Moved from ID Request.

… john and jane balaban, 24 June, 2010 - 9:43am

What's the current name of this species?

There's something strange going on, and I'm not sure whether this species is currently Argyrodes projiciens or Rhomphaea projiciens.

I have a copy of what appears to be the most recent revision of Argyrodes, which names this species Argyrodes projiciens. However, Texas A&M lists no such species for Texas but instead lists Rhomphaea projiciens. Looking this species up in Platnick, it appears that a revision by Agnarsson (2004) or Yoshida (2001) may have moved this species to Rhomphaea.

… Joe Lapp, 24 June, 2010 - 10:07am

Moved to Rhomphaea

I think I found the relevant line of Platnick:

R. p. Agnarsson, 2004: 480 (Tmf from Argyrodes)

This species was renamed to Rhomphaea projiciens in 2004. I wish they'd update the Argyrodes key.

… Joe Lapp, 24 June, 2010 - 10:17am