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Photo#425135
beetle stumped again - Stereopalpus vestitus

beetle stumped again - Stereopalpus vestitus
Nordhouse Dunes, Mason County, Michigan, USA
August 4, 2000
Size: 9 mm
Another stumper for me ... not a cerambycid or cantharid since the tarsi are clearly 5-5-4. Any help?

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beetle stumped again - Stereopalpus vestitus beetle stumped again - Stereopalpus vestitus beetle stumped again - Stereopalpus vestitus

Moved
Moved from ID Request.

Stereopalpus vestitus? my best guess at this point
the legs do look meloidish -- and that was my first reaction to the thumbnail; but the antennae are extremely non-meloidish... really, it's delightfully embarrassing -- i checked this and that [Pyros, Stenotr., ...]

 
I think we're on track with S
I think we're on track with Stereopalpus at least, especially given the locality where it was collected, whcih was long the beach of Lake Michigan. My books tell me that sandy shores and also beaches along the great lakes are common habitats.

 
Dan Young says this is it

 
Eurygeniinae
is a best guess here too (for some reason I thought they too were in Pyrochroidae...they either never got moved or were put back into Anthicidae...those groups keep playing musical chairs).

well, my friend... you win
did your best to get me stumped, too. for which i thank you profusely :)

pls add a good frontal view of the head & attennae in focus (now this is humiliating :)

 
something near...
Pythidae/Pyrochroidae...?

 
Good guess, Blaine. I'd think
Good guess, Blaine. I'd think a possible pythid before pyrochroid, only because this was collected along the beach of Lake Michigan during the day (not in original submission form). Pyrochroids seem more likely at night and/or under bark; obviously, neither can be ruled out, but just a guess. Thanks for the feedback.

 
Pedilus sp. (Pyrochroidae, formerly Anthicidae)
can be diurnal. :)

 
I still envy your ID skills :
I still envy your ID skills :)

I will follow-up with a frontal view of the head and antennae.

Photos statement on ID Request form:
Below is the quote found on the ID Request form. I've seen dead pinned insects submitted before. How is this acceptable given the statement below, especially apt in this submission is the final sentence? I am offended that this harmless creature appears to have been needlessly killed in the name of seeking an ID. So, I am one who is "offended when confronted with images of harmless creatures that have been needlessly killed and we may not hesitate to say so."
Marcia Sessions

Submitting photos statement on BugGuide.Net ID Request form:
"We prefer to see images of live specimens. Please, do not submit mutilated bugs. Dead specimens, particularly squashed ones, are difficult to make out. Quite frankly some of us are offended when confronted with images of harmless creatures that have been needlessly killed and we may not hesitate to say so."

 
not the forum for a philosphical debate
Marcia -- I respect your comment and concern, but I respectfully disagree. I do not mutilate specimens or kill them needlessly, and I certainly do not lack respect for their value. This specimen is not squashed, mutilated, and was not needlessly killed.

First, properly preserved and labeled entomological specimens are records of biogeographical, ecological, and phenological information with immense scientific value. Second, as Danks (1988) aptly states, "identification is a prerequisite for all other enquiries about the natural world."

 
not the forum for a philosphical debate
Hello gmcnett and vbelov, Thank you and both for your responses to my comment. I stand corrected. I've now come to understand that it is necessary at times to collect and preserve insects to further the ability to identify them, and thus, to advance our mutual interest in learning more about the vast array of insects we share our planet with. I apologize if I offended either or both of you or anyone else who read my Comment. Finally, I thought the Comment section was the appropriate place to post my thoughts. Through both of you I've learned that the Comment section is for comments related to the photo submitted. Thank you both for your feedback. It has changed my mind regarding pinned insects that are at times, the best way to determine identification and other features.
Marcia

 
No worries, Marcia, I took no
No worries, Marcia, I took no offense from your comment, and I do value your thoughts. I did interpret some shared concern, however. I've gone to great pains to protect my insect collection over the years for the very reason that I respect their value.

For what it's worth, I teach entomology at a nearby college and stress the very concern that you voice ... to NOT kill and collect specimens needlessly, to find specimens already dead if possible, that all specimens are maintained in the college's collection, and that any specimens not properly preserved in good condition and properly labeled have punitive value at best. I do hear your message and share it.

by the way, your photography is wonderful. I enjoy your images.

 
Road Kill
I do have a problem with certain contributors who just dump their collection pot and submit mangled photos without taking the time to properly mount. They look like they were picked from a car grille. In my not-so-humble opinion, it's just lazy and unprofessional. Then that's just me.
Robert

 
No worries, Marcia, I took no
Thank you so much for your reply. I've learned a lot and see that we do indeed have shared values. I felt like I was "going out on a limb" with my first Comment. But at times, taking that risk opens avenues of understanding that otherwise would not have been discovered.

Thank you also for your kind words regarding my photography.
Marcia

 
not needlessly; and definitely not mutilated
this is a very valuable addition to the guide

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