sub taxa

Nymphs/eggs/etc.

We have the same problem when a page is created for nymphs or eggs under a species page. As the system is now browse would work better if the species page also contained an "Adults" page (but that is not what I am proposing).
http://bugguide.net/node/view/13491/bgpage
http://bugguide.net/node/view/19047/bgpage
http://bugguide.net/node/view/9806/bgpage
http://bugguide.net/node/view/585/bgpage
http://bugguide.net/node/view/11385/bgpage
http://bugguide.net/node/view/9066/bgpage
http://bugguide.net/node/view/15670/bgpage

… John R. Maxwell, 18 December, 2010 - 10:36pm

Stopgap

All those "immature stages" pages are just a stopgap measure. I hope that all or at least most are eliminated when Bugguide 2.0 is in effect.
I also hope that the creation of such pages is kept to a minimum; they are helpful only to a point.

… Beatriz Moisset, 21 December, 2010 - 7:39am

But if it showed the current page

plus any subordinate pages one level down, which is what we thought you were proposing, you would see the adults as well as the nymphs in separate Browse clusters. We think your proposal would solve these also.

… john and jane balaban, 19 December, 2010 - 10:02am

Yes

I just wanted to be clear that I wasn't suggesting we make adult pages to solve the problem. Othersize we would have to make "unknown subspecies" pages for the original discussion. And the hard to ID genera (where most images are left at genus level) would need "unknown species" pages, etc. Showing a sample of the current level plus the sublevels would solve everything.

… John R. Maxwell, 19 December, 2010 - 10:32am

I obviously agree, but ..

I might also suggest adding a browse filter and corresponding checkbox when submitting images - similar to Leps pages; Adults Caterpillars Both. Instead of Caterpillars [isn't just caterpillars anyway], use "immature" for eggs, nymphs, pupa, etc. This would prevent the need for creating separate nodes for immature stages altogether.

… Phillip Harpootlian, 19 December, 2010 - 3:48pm

It would be great

if the current level and the next level down were shown at all locations. This would not only fix the example you have shown but I think it would be useful at any level (not just species -> subspecies). Sometimes a genus is very difficult to ID to species. If a user saw that there were many images left at genus that looked just like their bug they might realize that "pictures matching" isn't always enough to make a species ID.

… John R. Maxwell, 1 December, 2010 - 12:16pm

I'd vote

yes on that.

… Phillip Harpootlian, 1 December, 2010 - 12:29pm

i vote yes on that, too

… v belov, 1 December, 2010 - 1:43pm

Browse only shows images

in the next taxonomic level down from the one you are on. You should notice that when you are on the genus page and hit Browse, you don't see any of the images that are actually posted to the genus page, only images from the species pages. When you are on a species page, Browse will only show images from any subspecies pages, unless there aren't any. In which case it will show the images from the species page. We presume that it is fixable, but don't know how much code work that requires. Would you also want to see genus page images when you hit browse while on a genus?

… john and jane balaban, 30 November, 2010 - 5:47pm

Well, not really ..

"You should notice that when you are on the genus page and hit Browse, you don't see any of the images that are actually posted to the genus page, only images from the species pages" - Not true, if there are no species pages. Example.

I guess my problem is only at species level. In the example above there are 5 images of P. collaris, but only one is assigned to a subspecies, such that when I browse at species level - I only see one image, when clearly there are 5 of that species, so in effect, you don't see a normal random sample of species images when browsing at species level! The best case would probably be NOT to create subspecies unless you can assign all or most images to that level. The 'info' tab for genus shows images whether assigned to species or not - appears to be a random selection of images at that level or below.

I guess what I'd like to see at species level browse are species images whether assigned to a subspecies or not. How about at species level browse show a selection of images at that level and also those assigned to subspecies - similar to 'image' view. I don't believe most people have much value in subspecies level, especially invasive species - maybe make it optional to view. Subspecies as a level is generally poorly implemented - maybe a parallel level?

How about something like this

The map picks up data for both P. collaris and P. collaris collaris at species level. Could be confusing since I have one image but many data points.

Everyone[?] knows to go to "image" view to see if anything can be placed further down - does anyone go to species level and see if they can place additional subspecies?

… Phillip Harpootlian, 30 November, 2010 - 7:02pm