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Trigonarthris minnesotana
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Trigonarthris proxima? -
Trigonarthris minnesotana
Bankhead National Forest, Winston County, Alabama, USA
June 19, 1931
Size: 14mm
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Contributed by
Brian D. Holt
on 25 February, 2011 - 11:05am
Last updated 26 April, 2011 - 7:07pm
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v belov
, 26 April, 2011 - 7:07pm
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looks more like minnesotana to me
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v belov
, 6 April, 2011 - 11:06am
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from Doug Yanega:
"No, I think that is because of the photographic angle. Also, Brian says he keyed it out, which means (I assume) that since it's a male, the last sternite is notched. That makes it either
atrata
or
proxima
. Based on the punctation and shape of the pronotum, I would have thought it was
atrata
(though it's fairly elongate, which is more
proxima
-like), but he says it is different from the
atrata
he's keyed. Pass along to him the following two questions: (1) have you got males of definitive
atrata
to compare to? The medial depression is more obvious in females, and if all you've keyed out for
atrata
are females, then that could explain the difference (i.e., this is a male
atrata
and you just haven't seen them before). (2) Do you have males of definitive
proxima
to compare to? The male sternal notch is NOT as deep in
atrata
as it is in
proxima
, and L&C's key does not mention this - you have to compare them side-by-side to see what I mean. Same holds for the punctation difference; L&C don't mention it, but atrata's dorsal punctures are generally stronger and - on the pronotum - more widely spaced.
"I am also very suspicious about the abdomen coloration; I don't think I ever saw a
proxima
(or
atrata
, but I saw many fewer specimens of
atrata
) with an orange abdomen. This is a fairly tough one to call without the specimen in hand, and comparative material. I would not put it past these beetles to have a cryptic species or two, so I would not bat an eye if someone told me this was a fourth, undescribed species."
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v belov
, 6 April, 2011 - 12:17pm
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V, I think you may be right.
V, I think you may be right. I have very little experience with Trigonarthris but would say the last sternite is not notched making it T. minnesotana. I was using Lingafelter's key when I initially made the ID and it makes no mention of the notch being a diagnostic character. Since then I have obtained photocopies of the entire L&C pub. I've also posted a comparison shot of what I determined to be T. atrata.
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Brian D. Holt
, 26 April, 2011 - 4:45pm
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syntax:
pls edit your last comment and remove spaces after colon in the 'thumb:' links to make them work
[added:] you already did...
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v belov
, 11 April, 2011 - 9:50am
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Thanks for passing this on V.
Thanks for passing this on V. I posted pics of the specimens of T. atrata that I compared it to.
I'll take a better look with Doug's comments in mind when I get a chance.
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