Pisauridae? 4 of 5 - Hogna baltimoriana

Moved

Moved from Hogna.

… Lynette Elliott, 23 June, 2012 - 7:40pm

Hoga ventral

Well, I'm not sure what to make of this. The coxae aren't supposed to be black on baltimoriana. As you can see we have this same issue with this image

I guess we should leave it at genus level for now?? I did some more research and found another reference that says the coxae can be dark. I guess I'm still leaning toward baltimoriana.

… Lynette Elliott, 17 May, 2011 - 6:02pm

baltimoriana

or a heretofore "race" of baltimoriana of the inland barrens? We have many variants here. Your ruling out H. carolinensis and H. lenta as well?

Do you want the spider, since its a male? Can you confirm by the pedipalps which one it would be?

It senescing (getting week, fading), so I can send it to you in ethanol if you'd like. I'd hate to have it sit in Hogna so alone, and in need of a species :-) LOL!

I'm sending out several bugs this week anyhoo.

Kenny

… Kenneth E. BARNETT, 17 May, 2011 - 9:17pm

Man

it matches that Indiana baltimoriana so much dorsally. Indiana is in the swath for which our sand plain shares other relicts from Wisconsin, Michigan and East to Saratoga NY. Including the Karner and others. could be a subspecies. Let me know if someone wants it to look at pedipalps.

Kenny

… Kenneth E. BARNETT, 17 May, 2011 - 9:29pm

I can't ID spiders

using the palps. I leave that to the real experts. I've sent an email to a spider expert in your state. I'll let you know what I hear. In the meantime, keep him well fed. =]

… Lynette Elliott, 17 May, 2011 - 9:50pm

Lynette, the spider is now feeding

very well. . .and is in good condition for more photos if the NY expert would like them. Not sure why, but he decided to eat. If this is "unique" and we have another image like it, maybe it is worthy to have someone have a physical look.

very best,
Kenny

… Kenneth E. BARNETT, 19 May, 2011 - 3:51pm

He's not showing

signs of eating, or even wanting to. I think the torrential rains took a toll on him before finding him. Or, he is just dying normally. I put in a small cricket, and unlike other wolf's I have, it ignored it. It is very letharghic. I'll make sure I save it though. Thank you Lynette!

Kenny

… Kenneth E. BARNETT, 17 May, 2011 - 9:52pm