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mating ruby meadowhawks - Sympetrum - male - female

mating ruby meadowhawks - Sympetrum - Male Female
Ausable Marsh State Wildlife Management Area, Clinton County, New York, USA
August 12, 2011

Moved
Moved from Ruby Meadowhawk. Until an expert can confirm this, let's keep it here since there seems to be reason for doubt

Moved
Moved from Meadowhawks.

 
what field marks
did you use to determine these are not Cherry-faced?

 
not as red-faced
The cherry-faced has a distinctly redder face overall, as can be seen from the photos in the cherry-faced section. Also, the cherry-faced has not so far been recorded as occurring in New York State according to BugGuide data. In addition, another photo, taken at the same time and location (and also on BugGuide) has been confirmed as ruby by Odonata Central.

 
meadowhawk
Given the variability in pattern and colour in these closely related meadowhawks I'd be loath to assign an i.d. without a microscopic examination of either the male or female's genitalia (and I've done this with many specimens).

Determining range from what's reported on Bugguide is not a good idea. The data pages warn that "Range and date information may be incomplete, overinclusive, or just plain wrong" Paulson's range map for Cherry-faced covers all of NY state and if you'd checked OC (where I happen to be an editor) you would have found 102 pages of Cherry-faced records for NY state. There are only 33 pages of Ruby.

Another Sympetrum at the same location and time isn't necessarily the same species.

If you check around you will find many sources commenting on the difficulty of separating Ruby from Cherry-faced, White-faced and Saffron-winged. It's much better to have an unidentified specimen than one which is incorrectly identified.

Moved
Moved from ID Request.

Sympetrum sanguineum?
Sympetrum sanguineum?

 
Sympetrum sanguineum
I can't find this name listed anywhere, including Needham, Westfall and May. Is there a new name for it?

 
European species
sanguineum is a European species, hence inapplicable to this North American specimen.

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