Grammia behrii? - Apantesis behrii

Another to check out is G. ursina

To me it looks probably like that species instead, but I'm not certain. Here is a link to a pdf of a revision of the genus Grammia.

… David J. Ferguson, 24 November, 2013 - 7:31pm

I think the all-black hair instead of the pale vertical lines

suggests behrii?

But perhaps too much black edging on the hindwings.

… James Bailey, 7 September, 2015 - 4:53pm

The black thorax appears in both behrii and ursina. G. ursina from Santa Barbara CO appear 80% of the time with banding, 20% black. Further down to San Diego the black thorax is more common. Schmidt does not discuss the similarity and differences between ursina and behrii - but behrii is a more yellowish bug with reduced markings on the hw. G. ursina has a typically broken antemedial line with more extensive markings on the hw.

… Chris Grinter, 7 September, 2015 - 5:13pm

Thanks Chris

Appreciate the info. Many refs seem to contradict each other so it is good to hear what is currently considered the good ID points.

… James Bailey, 7 September, 2015 - 5:17pm

To complicate matters-

These Grammia hybridize. This could be anything from G. behrii to G. ursina or a hybrid. I've taken ursina commonly along the coast ranges, and behrii commonly inland in the Caliente range/carrizo plain. I'm sure there are blend zones.

… Chris Grinter, 7 September, 2015 - 5:30pm

Spoke to a few good contacts of mine

At least one person said he has tried hard to interbreed these spp. with no success, others say no hybrids known.

… James Bailey, 7 September, 2015 - 11:39pm

interesting

That would make sense given ursina is more closely related to an Arizona bug, and behrii is closer to nevadensis (with shared haplotypes).

… Chris Grinter, 8 September, 2015 - 9:31am

Location

This guy was really close to Carrizo. Chimineas Ranch is right between HWY 166 and the Carrizo Plain.

… Alice Abela, 7 September, 2015 - 11:36pm

Moved

Moved from Tiger Moths. Absolutely! Wonderful addition to the guide.

… Chris Grinter, 27 February, 2012 - 11:56am

MPG

At MPG they were also thinking G. behrii: http://mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/species.php?hodges=8179.3

… Alice Abela, 7 September, 2015 - 5:02pm

This one may help the discussion

And images on BOLD:
http://www.boldsystems.org/index.php/Taxbrowser_Taxonpage?taxid=22960

… James Bailey, 7 September, 2015 - 5:06pm

G. nevadensis

This is more typical of G. nevadensis. G. behrii has a wide antemedial band that's yellowish, and the hindwings are completely different.

… Chris Grinter, 7 September, 2015 - 5:09pm

Moved

Moved from Tiger and Lichen Moths.

… Alice Abela, 23 September, 2011 - 10:31pm

Moved

Moved from Moths.

… Alice Abela, 23 September, 2011 - 10:30pm

Moved

Moved from ID Request.

… Alice Abela, 23 September, 2011 - 10:27pm

Where to post images

I suggest that you follow the guidelines in this article to speed up the process.
It looks like this one is a male.

… Beatriz Moisset, 23 September, 2011 - 9:33pm