Unknown moth - Eucaterva

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… Bob Biagi, 24 March, 2018 - 9:45am

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I sent a message to Randy and he says that he does not have any experience with this species, but he likes my suggestion. ("Dead-ringer for the MPG pinned photos") I also sent a message to Bruce Walsh. Hopefully he will have more information for us, about this genus.

… Bob Biagi, 26 January, 2018 - 2:03pm

Glad you got some support. My problem was that I was thinking that it might be dimorphic and the male pectinates on the ones with no AM and PM lines blew that idea.

… A. Hendrickson, 26 January, 2018 - 3:30pm

Speckled Geo

Pectinate antennae = ♂
Ann, I would like to know your thoughts about this guy. Note, the PM line is nearly parallel to the outer margin and the wing shape is smoothly rounded. That should rule out all of the genus Sicya.
This type of a pose is not standard, for most of the Geometrid Moths. However, this seems to be one consistent quality of the genus Eucaterva, as well as the heavy speckling on the wings and the prominent discal spots.
I'm not sure how to choose a species in that genus, but this one seems to (somewhat) match the MPG specimens for Eucaterva bonniwelli. However, none of the BOLD specimens, of either species have complete AM and PM lines showing.

… Bob Biagi, 25 January, 2018 - 3:11pm

Bob, I don't think my opinion is worth much on this one. I would NEVER have seen that this moth has pectinate antennae. Even with your help I could hardly see them on the right side. I agree the wing shape is rounded and Sicya is not. Even the BOLD dna is weak on this species (only 1 COI and it is only about 340), but the photographs are all consistent and the collector an expert. Too bad none have been males.

Good sleuthing on a possibility. It has certainly been around a long time.

You might run it by CW Melton or Randy Hardy.

… A. Hendrickson, 25 January, 2018 - 4:02pm

I will do that. BTW, BOLD has five specimens of Eucaterva bonniwelli. Three of them are probably males, with pectinate antennae. So, I'm not sure what you were looking at.

… Bob Biagi, 25 January, 2018 - 4:37pm

I only looked at the new version of BOLD which only lets you see photographs of the Public Species. Went back and looked again via your link and we were looking at the same specimens. There are some males (only looked for wing pattern) but NONE had AM and PM lines. So I went to MPG and on MPG the only spreads with pectinate antenna had AM and PM lines. Makes me even more suspicious that something is wrong with this idea.

… A. Hendrickson, 25 January, 2018 - 4:47pm

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… A. Hendrickson, 19 December, 2016 - 1:04pm

Now I am wondering if it might be more like

which is not common but is in your area. The coloration is more gray than usual, however, but the speckling seems more like this species than my earlier suggestion.

… A. Hendrickson, 30 November, 2015 - 5:47pm

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Possibly something like this

… A. Hendrickson, 21 January, 2015 - 10:12am

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… Charley Eiseman, 25 March, 2012 - 7:56pm