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Photo#634652
 Xanthorhoe sp. - Xanthorhoe abrasaria

Xanthorhoe sp. - Xanthorhoe abrasaria
Salem, Marion County, Oregon, USA
April 23, 2012
best I could do matching this image.
Not a good image but the only one I got.

Looks like...
The lines are not really correct for Xanthorhoe abrasaria. These three images (below) all seem to be like something closer to Xanthorhoe defensaria or Xanthorhoe lacustrata. Please double-check this, since it is such a difficult genus.
Notice that the lines are closer to each other (spacing) and smoother overall, with a large inner-bend on the PM lines, near the middle.
OK, you can tell me what you think about this, before we move them, thanks!

I'm not sure on that.
I sent several of these pale Xanthorhoes into BOLD because I was sure they were something like abrasaria, but they all came back as Xanthorhoe defensaria which I had thought was always darker!

Maybe wait for someone else who knows more about them before putting it to species?

L

 
I agree
I just posted what I think is X. abrasaria the first one in nine years and thousands of specimens, with six other species of Xanthorhoe, many with DNA and all from the same backyard. This specimen (634652) looks like what MPG and experts are calling X. packardata and I have referred to in the past as X. macdunnough. It seems there are a couple of other specimens listed as X. abrasaria which might be other Xanthorhoe species (e.g. 556110).

mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/species.php?hodges=7369

This is tough group for me also and I would bet there is also hybridization going on as timings overlap here where I get the various species. The X. abrasaria from here does seem to have a unique dark and white pattern but not really colored. I consider the ID somewhat tentative and will report the DNA results later when I save up enough lunch money to pay for the sequencing. I also, Libby, received back a lot of X. defensaria sequences from the DNA runs. Here is my Flickr reference page with the various Xanthorhoe and other moths between 7361-7444 from here:

www.flickr.com/photos/76798465@N00/sets/72157635076868064/

Keep up the good work

Dick

 
Xanthorhoes
Xanthorhoes give me a headache and I am usually wrong with my ID's
Thanks
Michel Kleinbaum

 
Yes,
I know what you mean - they give me a headache too!

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