Niditinea orleansella? - Niditinea orleansella

Niditinea sabroskyi?

With the large spots and pale orange ground color, this seems more like Niditinea sabroskyi Metz, Davis & Davis, 2018 but dissection is needed. Would it be possible to ask JF to take another look? I don't know if he would have had advanced info on this in 2015.

Metz, Davis & Davis, 2018. Proc. Entomol. Soc. Wash. 120(1): 153–166. (abstract & access)

… Steve Nanz, 11 April, 2018 - 10:33am

I had the same thought

Also, all specimens they examined that were reared from bird nests were sabroskyi rather than orleansella. I haven't bugged JF about this yet, but I will.

… Charley Eiseman, 11 April, 2018 - 10:36am

I would be surprised if the orleansella determination stands. We have no verified live examples at MPG for any Niditinea. Please let me know if you get any and I'll post them. BOLD has three BINs for orleansella and we don't know which one is valid so DNA canot be used yet for orleansella or sabroskyi.

I tentatively moved one of Tom's here so we at least have something to compare with. I should probably just move everything to genus. There's also at least one additional undescribed species based on barcode data at BOLD.

… Steve Nanz, 11 April, 2018 - 10:48am

Not sabroskyi

Here's what he says: "Your Niditinea specimen is not sabroskyi but belongs to one of the distinct haplotype clusters mentioned in the Remarks in the Metz et al paper." Now, the paper does mention sabroskyi and orleansella larvae feeding together in at least one case, and it's conceivable that the one in my photo is not the same species as the specimen sent to the CNC, since I reared a bunch of them.

… Charley Eiseman, 22 May, 2018 - 10:30am

Not sure

N. sabroskyi is represented by BOLD BIN group AAC0184. The haplotype clusters are BINs AAC0183, AAC0182 and ACT1651 if I understand correctly though I may well be confused.

I think your moth better matches what is illustrated in the description, samples in AAC0184 and images of dissected specimens. So maybe this was in a nest with orleansella. Note that the orange color of the head carries into the thorax and the dorsal margin of the wings.

… Steve Nanz, 17 May, 2020 - 8:57am

Moved

Moved from Moths.

… Charley Eiseman, 9 December, 2012 - 2:09pm

Moved

Moved from ID Request.

… john and jane balaban, 27 June, 2012 - 5:58pm

Looks correct to me.

The two brown spots on the wings make it look like N. Orleansella to me, but I think you should wait for one of the moth experts to verify.
Love the fuzzy head, he/she's a cutie. :)
Be Well and God Bless

… Mamata Polle, 1 June, 2012 - 12:11am