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darkling beetle - Eleodes

darkling beetle - Eleodes
Big Gypsum Valley, near Slickrock, San Miguel County, Colorado, USA
August 6, 2012
Size: 14mm
Desert Riparian, is this one Eleodes?

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Same as the other posted from nearby - might be a new species or might be one of the described forms. This subgenus is being revised by Rolf Aalbu now.

possibly Eleodes (Metablapylis)
a female specimen Derek sent me looks quite like this, and is an Eleodes. Difficult to try to put a name on it though using Blaisdell's revision it seems to key to the Metablapylis subgenus.

Moved from Darkling Beetles.

i think this is something in the Pimeliinae, rather...
...but feel completely lost past that. i'm struggling with those large western ones...
in my experience, tenebs often cannot be guessed: you have to know what it is -- way too many lookalikes across subfamilies

Moved from ID Request.

Eleodes looks good to me...
but Vassili's concerns are well-founded and worth a wait from a teneb specialist.

i will not be surprised if this thing turn out a Coelocnemis...
...which is in yet another subfamily, dammit
nah... whatever the case may be, these things sure make me feel like a world-class dummy

pretty sure not Coelocnemis
in AZ i wouldnt hesitate to call this Eleodes but who Kojun or Rolf looking at these? Hasnt been a lot of movement in Tebenbrionidae in a while--lots of things still sitting at family to tribal levels.

Kojun moved a few last week... cleaned up the fam. page
hope he makes another round soon; i e-mailed him about this one, too.
Rolf and Aaron respond to my requests every now and then.
which tribes are in worst shape?
well, if you are comfortable with this being an Eleodes in AZ, then i'll follow...

if I am wrong...
you can be the first to kick me.

kicking won't cut it for me
i'll destroy your life, man.

Thanks Blaine and v!
I was ruling out coelocnemis since there's no golden hairs on the inside margin of the hind tibia. but I have about 200 of these eleodes looking beetles, I wonder how many different kinds of tenebrionids could inhabit the same place. anyway, I'm not too far from Arizona so the fauna is probably similar. I have plenty of these I could send out!

Rolf Aalbu & Aaron Smith are revising the genus, right?
i've heard the number of spp. recognized is expected to explode.
contacting them and offering material for study would be a good idea.

sounds good
do they have a bugguide account or can you send me contact info?

Aaron does have a BG account, but no contact info there

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