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Latrodectus hesperus - female

Latrodectus hesperus - Female
Denton ~ 5.1 km SW of Denton Municipal Airport, Denton County, Texas, USA
July 9, 2007
I've had some trouble identifying Latrodectus spp found within the Cross Timbers and Prairies ecoregion in north central Texas. This individual was an immature, but was about the size of adult female L. mactans that I have seen farther east near Paris, TX and Houston, TX. The hourglass does not appear to have the block-like lower section seen in L. mactans in eastern and southern Texas, and I suspect that this might be L. hesperus - based on size and hourglass shape. Other characters used to separate the two species seem highly variable. This individual does have a long red line on the top of the abdomen which reaches the spinnerets, but it is also a juvenile and I don't know if western L. hesperus immature also exhibit this trait. The boundaries of L. hesperus and L. mactans in this state do not appear very clear, and introductions are probably making this less clear. I've seen a 2004 paper that disputed the validity of the two species as distinct based on genetic analysis, but that paper compared specimens from the western U.S. to specimens collected near Wichita Falls, TX, which might not have been far enough east to be a good comparison between the two populations. I've looked at widowman's website and a few others and I'm still not sure that I can ID this individual for certain. I can say that I've seen my share of L. mactans that were very typical. Can anybody out there help out with this one?

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Latrodectus hesperus - female Latrodectus hesperus - female Latrodectus hesperus - female Latrodectus hesperus - female

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this is definitely a Latrodec
this is definitely a Latrodectus hesperus.

the hourglass is very typical, but even more telling is the dorsal patterning/coloring. hesperus will have (as you look at the 2nd image) more flattened "spots" and the color will greatly diminish with each molt. you can still see the outline and a smidge of color on this gal. that very first spot looks elongated compared to mactans or variolus (where the spot is very round most of the time).

and thank you for taking many pics from many angles. it gets hard when people take one picture and then hope it can get ID'd :) well done!

Hi Todd
I kept your best 4 images and I'll ask widowman to take a look. I frassed the other images as they aren't all going to be needed for the guide.

 
Thank you, sorry to post so m
Thank you, sorry to post so many photos, but I wanted to make sure you all were able to see all of the juvenile markings, because I have yet to see a good comparison between penultimate instars of Lactrodectus mactans verus L. hesperus. I appreciate the help and look forward to hearing back from you. I also can collect some specimens east and west of Austin and get some better photos if you want to see more individuals from what appears to be a boundary for the two species. :)

 
Todd- thanks for the idea. ma
Todd- thanks for the idea. maybe i'll try to add that to my site someday soon, with pictures showing distinctions between the 2 species.

 
thank you for the identificat
thank you for the identification, feel free to use my photos on your site if you want to. although the photos i posted were taken in Denton county, i have seen similar separation here in Austin (i find L. mactans to the east of town and L. hesperus to the west). now that i know for sure maybe i will try to go get some voucher specimens this summer. let me know if you want some.

thanks again!

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