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Protanyderus
Photo#772772
Copyright © 2013
josephfortier
Protanyderus
Omak, Okanagan County, Washington, USA
July 18, 2011
Size: 20 mm
Contributed by
josephfortier
on 19 May, 2013 - 4:46pm
Last updated 20 May, 2013 - 7:03am
Moved
Moved from
Primitive Crane Flies
.
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John F. Carr
, 20 May, 2013 - 7:03am
ID?
How are larvae of the two North American genera distinguished? I have not seen any key that goes past family.
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John F. Carr
, 19 May, 2013 - 7:01pm
Good question.
In the table on p. 752,
Aquatic Insects of North America
, fourth edition,
Protanyderus
is listed as having a western distribution, and
Protoplasa
an eastern distribution. So basically, I'm assuming the genus ID based on a record of geographical distribution rather than morphology. Perhaps not solid enough for BugGuide.
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josephfortier
, 19 May, 2013 - 8:45pm
Good enough
The species and genera do not seem to be widespread.
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John F. Carr
, 20 May, 2013 - 7:03am
P. vipio
The only species recorded for Oregon is P. vipio; it occurs from Washington to Southern California. P. margarita occurs in the Rocky Mountains. Also, this genus seems to now be a synonym of Protoplasa.
https://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7180&context=etd#page=345
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Joe R.
, 16 February, 2018 - 6:06pm
Maybe
According to Alexander
(
1
)
Protanyderus margarita
is found in Oregon and British Columbia, beyond the range given in the work you cite.
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John F. Carr
, 16 February, 2018 - 7:22pm
Revision
Check the revision. The distribution maps seem to have been updated for these species.
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Joe R.
, 16 February, 2018 - 7:48pm
Maps
I saw the maps, but I didn't see an explanation of the change from the 1965 catalog. Perhaps not all specimens were examined. I saw at least one note saying a type was not available for study.
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John F. Carr
, 16 February, 2018 - 7:50pm
Examined...
According to the revision: "OTHER MATERIAL EXAMINED. See Map 14. USA, OR. Dayton, Willamette, 17.iv.1949, coll. K.D. Ferder [1m#]"
Though the map states the records from north of California as larvae only. Not sure where the association with the adults of P. vipio stems from... earlier publication perhaps. It also mentions that there are records from Canada that weren't included.
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Joe R.
, 16 February, 2018 - 7:53pm
Male
I had to poke through the revision a bit, but apparently this is a male specimen that was studied, so the map must be in error with regards to only larvae being known north of California. The data point is missing entirely from the map, actually. This location is near Portland.
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Joe R.
, 16 February, 2018 - 8:19pm