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Photo#82936
Ebony Jewelwing - Calopteryx maculata - male

Ebony Jewelwing - Calopteryx maculata - Male
Doddridge County, West Virginia, USA
June 30, 2005

Moved
Moved from Frass.

Hate To Keep Bothering
I hate to keep bothering you, but what kind of camera and lens setup did you use to get this fantastic closeup view? The amount of megapixels your camera has and type and length of lens you used.

 
LOL Kenneth...
This was taken with my only camera, an Olympus C2100UZI, a 2.1mp dinosaur with 10x optical zoom. I used the Olympus B-Macro lens, and this was taken @ 34.1 mm. I have one shot even closer @70 mm, it can be seen here, (hope you don't mind the frame). All the exif information is also listed. This one is also in that gallery, complete with exif information. With the B-Macro I have to be about 8-10" inches from the subject.

Thanks, it is far from the other great ones in the guide, however it may be easier if I just moved it back?

 
Well....
I sure like this image a lot and dearly hope it sticks around. You can probably tell how much I'd hate to see it go from my comments spaced almost 30 days apart!

It seems much sharper than my camera, which is 6.1 megapixels. I guess it's in the lens and that's where mine is letting me down. Got to get a macro lens someday!

 
All righty then...
I'll move it back so you don't have to keep track of it. ;-)

Thanks Kenneth, even though there isn't enough wing detail, I thought the pose and colors made it a decent ID tool. And, as I recall there weren't any from WV when I uploaded it last year.

 
Kepping track
Others were keeping track too. I looked in Frass to see if it was still there, and I thought "Oh No!". Thanks!

I Saw One Of These
I saw one of these once, but all I got was a terrible image of it. I wish another one would fly into my area - I'll be ready for it this time!

Frassed
Moved from Ebony Jewelwing. We're clearing up the guide pages for Ebony Jewelwing and will frass images where the quality is poor or in states where we have a number of comparable or better images in the guide. If the contributor or one of the editors disagrees with one of our choices, please feel free to move it back into the guide. That's why "Frass" exists, so images get a second chance!

 
Pretty Good-Looking Image
I notice there isn't any representative picture for one of these in West Virginia for June. It sure looks like a pretty good picture to me! I wish my pictures could look that good.

 
Actually the two of us have never quite gotten
into an image of every species from every state for every month, etc. (Some would say from every county!) So we didn't actually look at dates. We do look at states, but interestingly we sometimes do frass the only image from a state if the image isn't comparable to others in the guide. Our hope is that with a blank spot on the map, contributors might be encouraged to submit a high quality shot from that state. We can envision someone with a quite nice photo looking at the data map and saying, "Oh, they already have one from Nebraska, so I won't bother."

On the other hand, the great thing about Frass, is that if the date is important to Donna, she can put the image right back in the guide! She is the contributor. We trust she will do what she thinks is best.

 
I have remained silent
on this issue, but there are a few comments I would like to make as a contributor/searcher/amateur photographer and retiree on a fixed income.

As a member with a horribly slow satellite connection and very old 2.1 mp camera, I was very thrilled to be able to participate in an extremely worthwhile effort after I finally had the courage to submit after being a member for about two years (searching the database only). I have found that the data (even monthly) is as valuable as are the images, when trying to ID. Since there are no hard and fast rules, I do the best to photograph and identify specimens before I add anything to the guide and have even frassed some of my poor quality images when they added no value to ID or the data.

As the search process is excruciatingly slow on my connection, it is hard for me to imagine anyone searching the hundreds of species pages to find something to photograph for a state. For that reason I find it sad that even a less than "high quality shot" has left a state without data. When I have a reasonably decent image of a specimen to add, I am thrilled to have filled an empty month. I try searching for the other images(s), but with my connection it is nearly impossible.

When and if the data is linked to the images, the whole process should be much more efficient for everyone. In the meantime, editors selecting the best images for ID purposes using browse function should eliminate a lot of clutter and speed up searching.

JMHO, but I'm really at a loss as to how to proceed in the future.

 
Not exactly sure what you mean
by 'how to proceed', and this is just our opinion, but we would say, wander the wilds and photograph bugs and post them to BugGuide. It's that simple! That's what we do. We don't search through the guide and look for things to photograph. We search through the woods and look for things to photograph. If we like our picture, we post it, especially if there is no image from Illinois, but even if there are already images from Illinois.

At some point, we, or an editor, have to make a decision on whether the image adds to the guide. Our decision on this image, which is only one of your twenty pages of images in the guide, was that it didn't, and we said so. We also said that if you or another editor disagreed, it could be moved back to the guide. One image is not going to break the memory of BugGuide, with 100,000 images, one way or the other. How to proceed? If you want it back in the guide, put it back in the guide. It's that simple.

Maybe another example will help. We are currently looking at the Wheelbug. There are 200 images of that one pretty unvariable insect in the guide. How many images does it take to represent the species? As you said, there is no hard and fast rule on BugGuide to answer that question. There are 60 images of wheelbugs from North Carolina alone! We are probably going to Frass some of those, because it doesn't seem reasonable, to us, that we need all those images here. When we do we are going to welcome people to move them back if they disagree. The only way for a volunteer driven site to function is on consensus. No one gets to be dictator - not even us!

Please do what you have been doing, finding bugs, photographing bugs, learning about bugs, posting their images to BugGuide.

 
Frass
The bad thing about Frass, and it's because I'm probably a relatively new user here on Bugguide, is that if an image of mine gets Frassed, I never know it because I never go through the Frass section. It could spend it's 30 days in the clink and then disappear from my pages and I wouldn't necessarily notice it until much later.

But, of course if an image of mine gets Frassed, it's usually because it needs it! I just don't have the equipment that some users do and it frustrates me to no end!

 
That should only happen if it gets frassed
directly from ID Request. Getting frassed from anywhere else in the guide should generate an automatic email to the contributor and to any commentor provided they have automatic subscribe turned on. And even from ID Request many editors will generate their own comment when frassing in order to trigger the auto email, though that doesn't always happen.

 
Thanks
Thanks for telling me that. I didn't realize it. Good information!

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